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And your numbers are off. For starters, double the weight of your presumed electrode.

The resistivity goes up as the temperature increases, which would tend to happen if you plan on actually vaporizing anything.

115.0 x 10^-8 ohm meter @ 3600K. I have no idea what it hits at 5828K, which is the vaporization point.

Using 115 gives resistance of 0.00024403757940757282 ohms

There is a reason sintering is the common method of working with tungsten. The energy required just to melt it is enormous, let alone vaporize it.
You assert that the energy required to melt tungsten is enormous, but I have calculated what it would be in this case, rather than just making unsubstantiated assertions.

You really don't have a clue do you? OK, let's say the electrode weighs twice as much as in my order of magnitude calculation. So it's twice as long, 24mm instead of 12mm. All that does is to double the energy and power required from a modest 70kJ and 14kW to a still modest 140kJ and 28kW. And it changes the current required (ignoring, as I did before, the temperature coefficient of resistivity - see below) from 3,780 amps to 2,672 amps while increasing the voltage by a factor 2 x sqrt(2). Yes that's less current required to do the job for a longer electrode.

And now let's turn to your other objection, the temperature coefficient of resistivity (change in resistivity with temperature). For tungsten that's something like 4.5 x 10^-3. So at its melting point it would be, as you say, 16 times higher than at room temperature or about 100 x 10^-8 ohm meter. Why didn't I include it that in the first calculation? Because I was doing worst case for current capacity - increasing the resistance reduces the current required to produce the resistive losses in the electrode that heat it up. So at the melting point the current required to maintain the required power is reduced by a factor of the square root of the resistance increase (or about four times). So at this stage, we don't need 2,672 amps, but a distinctly modest 668 amps. At 42 volts. So the temperature coefficient of tungsten, and its increase in resistivity when it liquifies, reduces the current requirement over my worst case order of magnitude calculation.

The amperage necessary to do what was observed is off the charts, in the range of an industrial electric arc furnace powered by a megawatt sized power plant.
Complete and utter bovine excrement. Pure marketing woo. The current necessary isn't "off the charts" but a rather modest 2,762 amps reducing to 668 amps and then falling even further as the tungsten heats up and its resistivity increases. A MEGAwatt? Very funny. As we have seen it is, using your physical dimensions for the electrode, 28kW without thermal losses and maybe 56kW with. You're out by a factor of 20.

Of course, megawatt power is exactly what this proves.
No - burning out this light bulb does not need a megawatt. It really doesn't. See the sums.
Go find me a portable generator that's throwing out 10,000 amps that Mills could have hooked into.
But we don't need 10,000 amps at 100 volts as we have seen. Rounding, we need 2,750 amps and 10 volts to start, 675 amps at 40 volts at the melting point.

And then, you know what? - we need 0 amps and 0 volts, because after one second of the putative five second process the electrode melts and becomes a puddle on the floor. You see, 4/5ths of the energy required to vaporise the electrode is the latent heat of vaporisation and we can't apply that energy after gravity has done its work.

You said earlier:
No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds?
and we have seen that this is utter tosh. Really - comp;ete marketing disinformation. Why should anyone trust anything else that you say?
 
I mean how do I know anything?

How do I know I'm even living in a persistent universe when all I can experience is the now?

Obviously Mills must be lying about the tungsten, the contractors must be lying about their ability to build the concentrator cells, the half dozen independent university professors must be lying about their lab results, the 30 or so scientists working for Mills must be faking the spectrometer and calorimetry readings, the board members are all in on the scam, Columbia Tech is lying about their ability to engineer a prototype, etc.. etc.. etc..

This is actually the biggest hoax ever created by private industry for the purposes of a meager 100 million in fraud split at least 200 different ways between all the players involved.

You really called it bro.

We can take that as an answer that your only source for them being tungsten is Mills' word?

And it's funny that you put it like that, because, assuming your numbers are correct and everything is split evenly, then half a million dollars isn't really a bad sum of money. Since you were unprepared to bet a single Bitcoin earlier in the thread (current value somewhere between $900 and $1,000), I'm prepared to wager that you're not rich enough that half a million wouldn't make a difference to you.
 
You're doing the math wrong.

Ok, using 3.2mm as the radius for a 1/4" thick electrode that is 24mm long, these are the numbers the calculator is spitting out. I'm going with your estimate of 28 kw of power needed.

handy calculator to figure resistance

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/resis.html#c4

tungstenResistence.jpg


ohms law calculator

http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/ohms-law-calculator.htm

millsAmps.jpg


Tungsten resistance

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/DeannaStewart.shtml

So yeah, let's say it's an even 5000 amps, which is still an insane amount of amperage.

Go find me a generator that can dump out 5000 amps.

Post me a link to where I can buy one.

Oh look, here's a 120 kw generator capable of doing 1000 amps.

http://www.starpowergenerators.com/project/1000-amp-120-kw/

So Mills would have to chain 6 of these things together to hit the numbers, for a grand total of 720 kw of generator power to hit the amperage required.

And you're right, it takes an order of magnitude more amperage to get the whole process started.
 
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I insist in the coarse detail of Mills' prop showed in CNN

[qimg]http://i65.tinypic.com/1ifvns.png[/qimg]

The copper part, which I have thought it was made using lokrings, it is not even that. It's made by no more than fifty bucks of cheap copper parts and welded manually by a solder with some skills -there's discolouration and blurring at different points, evidence of hand craft-. The same copper pipes tell by their nozzles that the piping is very thin, much probably 0.8 or 1 mm., so they can conduct a fluid at some pressure of 25 kg/cm2 if they had a function.

I'm sure they're decorative, just to get a "ooh! piping!" effects for the gullible to buy. There's no function that justifies its shape. It looks like the props in Lost in Space or The Time Tunnel, but more ordinary and much less artful.

I'm telling the whole thing is a con, and the whole thing is so absurd that I pity all the people involved. But it's very easy to prove I'm wrong just by explaining what is the function of those copper pipes and why are they shaped in that particular way.

That piping looks like standard domestic copper water piping with standard soldered fittings

http://www.screwfix.com/c/heating-plumbing/pipe-fittings/cat831504#category=cat831562
 
You're doing the math wrong.

handy calculator to figure resistance

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/resis.html#c4

ohms law calculator

http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/ohms-law-calculator.htm

[qimg]https://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/millsAmps.jpg[/qimg]

28 kw of power with the calculated resistance of 0.00024403757940757282 ohms gives the result of 10,700 amps.

There ain't no portable power source that can do that.

It is not real. How much evidence do you need? This rubbish has been going on for decades. Why do you think that anybody with an IQ of >100 is giving it a swerve?


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They were vaporizing (literally vaporizing into metal vapor) 1/4" thick tungsten electrodes within seconds of turning the power on.

Even if we assume that Mills is telling the truth about the type of metal and diameter, did he ever claim that they were solid?

If they were hollow they would melt much more easily.
 
I mean how do I know anything?

How do I know I'm even living in a persistent universe when all I can experience is the now?

Obviously Mills must be lying about the tungsten, the contractors must be lying about their ability to build the concentrator cells, the half dozen independent university professors must be lying about their lab results, the 30 or so scientists working for Mills must be faking the spectrometer and calorimetry readings, the board members are all in on the scam, Columbia Tech is lying about their ability to engineer a prototype, etc.. etc.. etc..

This is actually the biggest hoax ever created by private industry for the purposes of a meager 100 million in fraud split at least 200 different ways between all the players involved.

You really called it bro.

So how do you explain that he's being running this same scam for 20+ year and hasn't yet produced a single product....You really called it bro....but you can stretch out your impending disgrace for a few more years until it becomes obvious, even to you, that nothing is going to be actually built.
 
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Yep, my currents are off. They should be higher. My fault. But then so are my voltages off. They should be lower by the same ratio. Which means that the calculation of modest energy and power requirements is correct. 140 kJ and 28kW. Which also means your statement "No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds?" is nonsense. Any modest power source producing 30kW plus and a high current transformer (eg http://www.lcmagnetics.com/transformers/single-turn-high-current-transformer/) will do it.
 
Yep, my currents are off. They should be higher. My fault. But then so are my voltages off. They should be lower by the same ratio. Which means that the calculation of modest energy and power requirements is correct. 140 kJ and 28kW. Which also means your statement "No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds?" is nonsense. Any modest power source producing 30kW plus and a high current transformer (eg http://www.lcmagnetics.com/transformers/single-turn-high-current-transformer/) will do it.
Keep in mind as I pointed out already once. This assumes vaporisation is due to heat only, and not oxidation or some other exothermic chemical reaction in combination.

Keep in mind the null hypothesis is these fancy light bulbs are simply flashing as they burn out. No evidence has been submitted that the vaporization seen is anything not explained by normal physics and chemistry yet. And no, redacted studies don't count.
 
Yep, my currents are off. They should be higher. My fault. But then so are my voltages off. They should be lower by the same ratio. Which means that the calculation of modest energy and power requirements is correct. 140 kJ and 28kW. Which also means your statement "No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds?" is nonsense. Any modest power source producing 30kW plus and a high current transformer (eg http://www.lcmagnetics.com/transformers/single-turn-high-current-transformer/) will do it.

I'll give you that he could use a transformer and a 30 kw generator to hit the numbers, but you still have to have a 30 kw generator and a 700 lbs transformer! Not exactly inconspicuous objects. Further, pushing 5000 amps on the low end would require massive cabling that would also be blatantly obvious.
 
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..., the half dozen independent university professors must be lying about their lab results, ...
Some implied lies there, michaelsuede.
  1. No independent university professors did laboratory experiments.
    There areevaluations of BLP experiments using their apparatus allowing the possibility of BLP fraud.
  2. In the OP, you linked to retracted PDFs from Rowan University and UNC Asheville.
  3. The remaining report has a grand total of 1 author :eek:!
  4. That report is simply heating some samples and finding that "All measured values are far more exothermic then the predicted thermochemistry" but the predictions were supplied by BLP :eek:!
    The author thinks that the calculations seem reasonable and that his results are possibly due to unknown exothermic pathways (no hydrino delusion appears).
 
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At about 2:30 and again at 3:20 Mills states that spectroscopy and other unspecified analytical results indicate that the (purported) hydrinos "have the identity of dark matter" and the results "match the spectral characteristics of dark matter". Would this be the same dark matter that neither absorbs or emits electromagnetic radiation and which therefore could not be analyzed spectroscopically?

This man sickens me.
 
I'll give you that he could use a transformer and a 30 kw generator to hit the numbers, but you still have to have a 30 kw generator and a 700 lbs transformer! Not exactly inconspicuous objects. Further, pushing 5000 amps on the low end would require massive cabling that would also be blatantly obvious.



See, electricity runs over wires, and those wires can be quite long....

In all seriousness, all this assumes straight electrical vaporization. I posted a video earlier that shows a comparable hunk of tungsten being vaporized by an HHO pen torch. The apparatus needed to do that is easily concealed. You can make all the excuses you want but in the end vaporizing a small hunk of tungsten is a cat that the folks in this thread can skin in many ways.
 
Speaking as usual not from the white coat lab, but from the shop in the back yard, I must say that the inventor of this device is missing a huge source of income right before his very nose. I refer, of course, to whatever magical insulation he has invented. I mean, inside that little container, we're told that, whatever it is that's going on, it's prodigiously hot. And yet not only does it not ignite the room it's in, but it does not even melt the solder in those copper pipes. I mean, come on folks! That's brilliant. Forget the hydrinos and all that stuff. You want to raise millions of bucks fast? Pick up a genius grant on the way to the Nobel ceremony? Go into the insulation business.
 
Speaking as usual not from the white coat lab, but from the shop in the back yard, I must say that the inventor of this device is missing a huge source of income right before his very nose. I refer, of course, to whatever magical insulation he has invented. I mean, inside that little container, we're told that, whatever it is that's going on, it's prodigiously hot. And yet not only does it not ignite the room it's in, but it does not even melt the solder in those copper pipes. I mean, come on folks! That's brilliant. Forget the hydrinos and all that stuff. You want to raise millions of bucks fast? Pick up a genius grant on the way to the Nobel ceremony? Go into the insulation business.

My impression of that video was that what was shown wasn't going inside said little round bowl.
 
My impression of that video was that what was shown wasn't going inside said little round bowl.
No doubt, but wasn't it supposed to be what the little bowl is for? I mean presuming (as we who are pretending to be credulous customers must) that the contraption contraps, then according to the diagrams it ought to get pretty warm.
 
At about 2:30 and again at 3:20 Mills states that spectroscopy and other unspecified analytical results indicate that the (purported) hydrinos "have the identity of dark matter" and the results "match the spectral characteristics of dark matter". Would this be the same dark matter that neither absorbs or emits electromagnetic radiation and which therefore could not be analyzed spectroscopically?

P I C K Y, PICKY, Picky, picky now the 'blackhole' (named I suspect for what happens to investor's money) supporter will explain it away explain with a few few clever and adroit sentences:

....What was it that Lenin and Stalin (probably falsely) said about the blind supporters of the Soviets in western countries?
 
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