Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

Macgyver1968 said:
Would you be upset if I came over to your house and burned all your stuff?
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As far as I know no houses were burned at the inauguration, so I'm not sure how this is even relevant. Just because right-wingers like to pretend speech they disagree with is "random" doesn't mean it is.
 
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caveman1917 said:
As far as I know no houses were burned at the inauguration, so I'm not sure how this is even relevant. Just because right-wingers like to pretend speech they disagree with is "random" doesn't mean it is.
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I assume you meant "so called" right wingers, right?

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Flawless victory.
 
The Big Dog said:
This brought to you by the good folks at Apple, because if you want to fight the violence inherent in the system, you want Apple.

And CISCO brand routers.
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Medieval lord: "How can you be against feudalism when you're wearing rags made under feudalism?! Ha! Checkmate you *********** peasant!"
 
caveman1917 said:
Medieval lord: "How can you be against feudalism when you're wearing rags made under feudalism?! Ha! Checkmate you *********** peasant!"
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Ooh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, didn't you?
 
caveman1917 said:
As far as I know no houses were burned at the inauguration, so I'm not sure how this is even relevant. Just because right-wingers like to pretend speech they disagree with is "random" doesn't mean it is.
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I think it is relevant. You stated that you would be upset if someone burned your stuff. If those protestors were marching down your street, and started smashing the windows of your car while you were still in it...then demanded you get out and then set your car on fire...I seriously doubt you would be calling it "speech". You'd probably be calling it what it was...a crime.

Protesting is great...I wouldn't want to live in a country where it wasn't allowed. But destroying innocent people's property who have nothing to do with the protest just to show how angry you are is not cool, and doesn't help your cause. You're just forcing innocent people to pay for your outrage.
 
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Macgyver1968 said:
I think it is relevant. You stated that you would be upset if someone burned your stuff. If those protestors were marching down your street, and started smashing the windows of your car while you were still in it...then demanded you get out and then set your car on fire...I seriously doubt you would be calling it "speech". You'd probably be calling it what it was...a crime.
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It's irrelevant unless you can point to an instance of someone who that happened to and where I'm calling it "speech".

Protesting is great...I wouldn't want to live in a country where it wasn't allowed. But destroying innocent people's property who have nothing to do with the protest just to show how angry you are is not cool, and doesn't help your cause. You're just forcing innocent people to pay for your outrage.
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What innocent people? Be specific.
 
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caveman1917 said:
Whose very existence is violent?
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The people who work in these dark, satanic mills. They are cooperating with the violent private property, right? You've made this "cooperating with violence is violence, too" type of claim repeatedly. I guess I should have put a question mark at the end to indicate I'm testing you for consistency.

Not that I expect you to deliver, since harmful behavior inflicted on others is ok when you do it, but people showing up to work every morning is apparently provocation beyond endurance.

Oh it's their workplace? I didn't know the Bank of America or Starbucks were worker cooperatives. Do you have some evidence for this?
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Yes, 'their'.

It's a possessive pronoun. Possessive doesn't exclusive mean 'owns', it can be a way of describing a noun so as to clarify which of many possible applicable examples one is referring to.

If you want to be pedantic about it, then "the place where they work."

Can we move along or will there be more 'point scoring' exercises?

Not respecting capitalist private property rights is fascist? lol
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Imposition of violent reprisal upon others for not conforming to your will.

So maybe one attribute common between yourself and fascists.

Perhaps simply 'criminal' then. You advocate for violent criminal behavior.

Good luck defending that.

If there's anyone not passing the "fascist smell test" it would be you. With your distinctions about the "local" capitalists as opposed to the "non-local" ones, your blatant militarism, your praxis of collaboration with the state to aid its violent defense of the "private property" of the capitalist class, your corporatist talk about "the local community" as if one organic whole. IIRC you even said you had a praxis of physical intervention in defense of and collaboration with the capitalist class, that's coming very close to core fascist praxis - their gangs who defend the capitalist class and its property in class conflict.
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I have yet to make a 'distinction about local capitalists as opposed to the non-local ones.'

You've invented that one whole cloth.

I'm advocating for peaceful action, but I'm 'militant'?

As I've pointed out elsewhere, I have no respect for those who advocate/commit violent acts and then claim they are sacrosanct from the same. All your statements to that effect are doing is further lowering my estimation of your character.

To describe a group of people standing in front of a window to prevent it being broken as a 'gang' is quite the feat. Perhaps I read pejorative intent in error, though.

Liberals with fascist inspirations whining about how anarchists are the real fascists...:rolleyes:
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I've been hustled around by police on occasion. For the most part if I'm wearing my reflector vest, display my homemade press credentials (there is no such thing as 'official' press credentials by the way as this would create a system of censorship) and signal my intentions to them as to wanting to get a shot from a certain angle or such, they are generally in most cases willing to allow me some leeway for short periods of time.

Black Bloc types have, on numerous occasions, engaged in abusive verbal harassment of me, attempted to damage my filming equipment, attacked me through direct violent contact or hurled projectile, etc.

This is my experience. I'm hard pressed to come to any other conclusion, regardless of you repeating the same excuses I've heard 100 times for why I apparently deserved all of that...from people who tell me I 'lack solidarity.'
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
Black Bloc types have, on numerous occasions, engaged in abusive verbal harassment of me
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Did they say something not nice to you? How violent of them!

attempted to damage my filming equipment
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They sabotaged surveillance equipment? Anarchists would never do that!

attacked me through direct violent contact or hurled projectile, etc.
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Evidence?

This is my experience. I'm hard pressed to come to any other conclusion, regardless of you repeating the same excuses I've heard 100 times for why I apparently deserved all of that...from people who tell me I 'lack solidarity.'
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I'm sure it all has nothing to do with your stated goals of collaboration with the state, so as to identify them and get them assaulted and kidnapped by your favourite gang.
 
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caveman1917 said:
It's irrelevant unless you can point to an instance of someone who that happened to and where I'm calling it "speech".

Luis Villarroel had parked his limo on K Street after dropping off a client when he heard a loud noise.
"There were these boys who had covered their faces with masks" who had surrounded the car, Villarroel told CNN Saturday. A woman signaled to him to get out of the limo, and by the time Villarroel exited, "they were already hammering my car."
As he moved away, people were throwing things at him, including a sandwich. Someone set a small fire inside the limo, causing Villarroel to rush back to the car to stomp it out.
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As for calling it "speech"

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For people who seem to have a problem identifying violent left-wing protest, as opposed to peaceful speech such as burning a limo.....
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What innocent people? Be specific.
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Muhammad Ashraf. The owner of the limo. A Muslim immigrant who doesn't support Trump, and is out $70,000 to $100,000 because some anti-Trump protestors torched his limo. He's paying the price for their outrage.
 
caveman1917 said:
Something is a mean of production if it is used in the production of economic value. Such as a machine in a factory. I do not own any means of production, so dubalb's statement was basically random noise.
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I have friend who makes suit accessories out of her home.

She uses a sewing machine, fabrics, threads, needles, etc.

What authority do you invoke to demand she relinquish herself of these 'means of production' and surrender them to 'the public'? What mechanism does 'the public' use to determine what purposes they ought to be put towards?

Is there some kind of, let's say, central planning authority?
 
Macgyver1968 said:
Muhammad Ashraf. The owner of the limo.
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Present your evidence that this Muhammad Ashraf

-is the owner of the limo
-protesters started smashing the windows of his car while he was still in it
-then demanded he get out and then set his car on fire
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I have friend who makes suit accessories out of her home.
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That's nice. How many "employees" does she have?

What authority do you invoke to demand she relinquish herself of these 'means of production' and surrender them to 'the public'?
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Could you perhaps quote me demanding this of her? As far as I can remember I hadn't even heard of her until now.
 
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