The Great Zaganza
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is that the same "everyone" who don't want to see his tax returns?
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is that the same "everyone" who don't want to see his tax returns?
Just shows that Bush was even more stupid than we realised.
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What are you a birther too ?
Geee.
You know it is incredible the number of right wing folk which were up all their roof when it comes to "Political correctness" - scary quote intentional - they were all about first amendment this first amendment that "you can't stop me speaking up" etc...etc...
And suddenly when it is the speech of a person they don't like... It is all "shut up" and "maybe we should check if he is REALLY a citizen" with the implied (laughable) threat that if he is not he should shut up.
Right wing : the aprty which don't like free speech when it does not advantage them.
uke2se
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BS of the highest magnitude. Take responsibility for your actions.
thaiboxerken
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Exactly. The left fights opinions they don't like with facts and voicing their own opinion. The right wants to just outlaw opinions and facts they don't like.
The one with Iraq makes no sense to me: we have current operations in that country, ostensibly to help the Iraqi government with whom we have relations, to defeat and otherwise deal with ISIS.
Posturing, or just doesn't give a crap?
Iraq has been assigned the highest level of immigration concern for some years now. The basic problems are the same as the others on the list:
1. Passport insecurity. Long story short, having territory coming under control of ISIS led to the situation where that organization also controlled their immigration infrastructure. They are/were able to alter passports using real documents and databases. This has been the assessment for years by the French, British and US governments.
2. Vetting instability. Once again, portions of the country were controlled by ISIS -- some of those areas not being exactly hostile control. Many areas of the country are too dangerous for US officials to properly conduct investigations and the local governments are often too corrupt, too inept or too hostile to rely on native investigations.
3. History of exporting terrorists. ISIS is using Iraq as a training ground for terror operations worldwide.
FYI looking at manufacturing....
Under Bush the number of people employed in manufacturing dropped more than 30% from 18 million to 12 million.
Under Obama the number of people employed in manufacturing increased by about 8% from 12 million to 13 million.
Looking at the economy in general.
George W Bush added just over 1 million jobs
Obama added over 10 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
But sure, Republicans are the party of job creation
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The "blessed" Reagan added 16 million jobs
Clinton added 24 million
But sure, Republicans are the party of job creation
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Its fun to watch your side put up numbers on how dem presidents create jobs. Clinton did move to the right and did things that could allow business to grow, but only because he was forced to. Obama did absolutely nothing and you can't really show anything. Bush lost a lot at the end of his two terms.FYI looking at manufacturing....
Under Bush the number of people employed in manufacturing dropped more than 30% from 18 million to 12 million.
Under Obama the number of people employed in manufacturing increased by about 8% from 12 million to 13 million.
Looking at the economy in general.
George W Bush added just over 1 million jobs
Obama added over 10 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
But sure, Republicans are the party of job creation
edited to add:
The "blessed" Reagan added 16 million jobs
Clinton added 24 million
But sure, Republicans are the party of job creation
But I wasn't talking about presidents, Im talking about business in general. But its more fun to see you live in fantasy land.
I mean the thought that Dems would do things in government to help business create jobs is just laughable, but I'm sure you fully believe that. Regulation, high taxes in both the federal and state governments just lets the job creation flow.
I'd be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
Its fun to watch your side put up numbers on how dem presidents create jobs. Clinton did move to the right and did things that could allow business to grow, but only because he was forced to. Obama did absolutely nothing and you can't really show anything. Bush lost a lot at the end of his two terms.
But I wasn't talking about presidents, Im talking about business in general. But its more fun to see you live in fantasy land.
I mean the thought that Dems would do things in government to help business create jobs is just laughable, but I'm sure you fully believe that. Regulation, high taxes in both the federal and state governments just lets the job creation flow.
I'd be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
I know those facts are so laughable, so laughable that anyone could think republican presidents were better than democrat presidents at "creating jobs"
I mean just because a democrat president "made" 9 new jobs for every one a republican president made doesn't mean he made more jobs it just means - oh look over there muslims!!!
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Right, because Germany, a country choke-full of regulations, unions and consumer protection isn't doing extremely well.
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I thought the toxic Cheeto had already done that back in 2012 and his people found very interesting things. What those things were we never found out, so are you suggesting he's finally going to let us know?
Its fun to watch your side put up numbers on how dem presidents create jobs. Clinton did move to the right and did things that could allow business to grow, but only because he was forced to. Obama did absolutely nothing and you can't really show anything. Bush lost a lot at the end of his two terms.
But I wasn't talking about presidents, Im talking about business in general. But its more fun to see you live in fantasy land.
I mean the thought that Dems would do things in government to help business create jobs is just laughable, but I'm sure you fully believe that. Regulation, high taxes in both the federal and state governments just lets the job creation flow.
I'd be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
Pesky numbers. I don't need no damn numbers to run my business!!! Trump don't need numbers to run the country!!! You libs and your stupid numbers!!! Just watch the innumerate kick some ass.....
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There is merit in his claim. Democrats have not made it easy to vote for them especially recently. Mainstream Americans are tired of the unholy union of neo-liberal economics and identity politics, both of which have been used to hammer them over the head incessantly for years.
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I remember when Obama and Clinton were creating many, many jobs. At that time, Republicans were claiming that government can't create jobs so Democrats cannot take credit for those jobs.
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Neither party has done well with jobs. They always gloss over the details: full/part time, wage, benefits yes/no, etc. You don't improve an economy by making workers poorer through wage/hour cuts or by making them take a downgrade job because that's all they can get.
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No, there's no merit to his claim. People need to take responsibility over their actions. Nobody made anyone vote for Trump. That he was completely incompetent was apparent well before the election. People who voted for him have no excuse, and especially not "because Obama" or "because Hillary".
Interestingly, Bush only increased the number employed (by 1 million) because he increased the number of government employees by 2 million.
OTOH Obama oversaw an increase of 10 million (despite a major recession) and a reduction in the number of government employees by 1 million.
The Republican Party, the party of jobs and small government
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Not in theory. As it has been practiced in the US, I'm against it. I think it has gotten to the point where it is counterproductive.
For those who don't want to scroll up, "it" refers to affirmative action, and the question was "are you against it?"
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And check out my highlighted part. Refugee status can still be granted to people making religious-based persecution claims in a country where they're in the majority. And of course religious-based persecution is just one of many kinds of persecution claims that can qualify for refugee status. It is amazing that such a sensible prioritization has been twisted into a "Muslim ban" by overwrought liberals. Not amazing actually. Just sad.
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How can you be so disingenuous? You pretend as if we shouldn't accept the architects of this policy at what they have said. It is a Muslim ban. That doesn't come from some Left wing bleeding heart Lib. No, it comes from Trump and it comes from Giuliani.