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President Trump: Part II

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TheL8Elvis said:
I'm confused as to when you believe this thread became about you ?
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I am a right-leaning moderate. When generalized insults and derision are made castigating all people on the right (regardless of their actual opinions) as being bigots, I tend to feel obligated to point out that this sort of exaggerated derision is counter-productive.

If uke2se actually believes that there are no right-middle folks out there, and that anyone who's even a little bit on the right fits into that deplorable basket... then that means that he is also placing *me* into that basket. The intent is to point out the irrationality of his approach.
 
wareyin said:
If it's non political, why do you think they are "leftists"? You really should provide your unusual definition so that we know what you mean.
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He's just trying to show that Argumemnon's point is spot on. Trying reading his posts for the humor he provides.
 
3point14 said:
Given that the report is that they've worked away for years under various regimes and it doesn't seem that a one of them has ever made headlines before, this would not appear to be a political decision.
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You can't draw that conclusion from the information now available to the public. I'm anxious to read an interview of one of the departees.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I am a right-leaning moderate. When generalized insults and derision are made castigating all people on the right (regardless of their actual opinions) as being bigots, I tend to feel obligated to point out that this sort of exaggerated derision is counter-productive.
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Let me agree with Emily's Cat here.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Moderate conservatives, like most moderate liberals, tend to be independent voters. We tend to NOT play party politics.
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Then when you hear the term "conservative," just assume it's referring to "party conservatives" or "GOP," instead of the moderate conservatives who are really independent voters that don't like to play party politics.

Everyone leaning even slightly left has had to put up with "you libruls" for years. Welcome to the club.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
I might pay real factual money to put you and logger in a room together.
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I pay no attention to people whose discussions never move forward.

Getting back to my post, were you dodging or just don't feel like addressing the specifics I asked about?

Perhaps you might answer my questions, assuming the people who elected Trump were for the most part, on right side of the aisle:

So, did Trump voters know what they were electing and not care?
Did they fool themselves and believe he was someone other than himself?
Did they miss the blatant personality disorder that was on full display for more than a year leading up to the election?
Would you say that was denial and wishful thinking?

Do you think the alt-right that dominates the GOP at the moment are so reasonable?
Have you ever read Breitbart's site?
Read or listened to Ann Coulter or her up and coming protege, Milo Yiannopoulos?
How about Rush Limbaugh?
 
Meadmaker said:
In this case what I mean is that Hillary said one thing, but it's nearly universally believed that she said something else, and it probably cost her the presidency. Oh well.
On some level, you have to be able to manage your own message, and she didn't.
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C'est la vie.
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Much of her campaign seemed to be directed at people who already supported her. She didn't give undecided voters, let alone Trump voters, a concrete message about how they would be better off with her in the White House. It turns my stomach to say so, but Kellyanne Crazyway summed it up well when she said "Clinton's message was just 'I'm not Trump'. That wasn't enough." And now here we are.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I am a right-leaning moderate. When generalized insults and derision are made castigating all people on the right (regardless of their actual opinions) as being bigots, I tend to feel obligated to point out that this sort of exaggerated derision is counter-productive.
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In which case, you and Hillary agree. Really. That's exactly what she said in her "deplorables" quote. That was the message. Her message was that there were some (she said half) of Trump supporters that were racist, sexist, etc....but there were others that were great Americans, and we have to reach those.

That's why I feel sorry for politicians. She is saying the same thing you are, and you are putting her down for saying it.

Ok, maybe she overestimated the deplorable content of America. Maybe it should have been less than half, but her point was that not all right wingers were racist, sexist homophobes.
 
SezMe said:
The article I read said that CIA staff don't sit down unless the President tells them to. Since Trump never told them to have a seat, they stood for his whole speech. So even if only one dufus in the back of the room did a slow clap, Trump would claim he got a standing ovation.

The guy is such a clueless goober.
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I thought it was not just the CIA but government protocol says when the President enters a room everyone stands until the President tells them or gestures them to sit. Trump might have forgotten about that part and just thought it was great everyone was standing for him.
 
Meadmaker said:
In which case, you and Hillary agree. Really. That's exactly what she said in her "deplorables" quote. That was the message. Her message was that there were some (she said half) of Trump supporters that were racist, sexist, etc....but there were others that were great Americans, and we have to reach those.

That's why I feel sorry for politicians. She is saying the same thing you are, and you are putting her down for saying it.

Ok, maybe she overestimated the deplorable content of America. Maybe it should have been less than half, but her point was that not all right wingers were racist, sexist homophobes.
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To be fair, Hillary should have been an experienced enough politician to realize the sentence could be taken out of context.
 
Spindrift said:
I thought it was not just the CIA but government protocol says when the President enters a room everyone stands until the President tells them or gestures them to sit. Trump might have forgotten about that part and just thought it was great everyone was standing for him.
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Standard US military courtesy:When the Commanding Officer enters a room for a formal meeting, everybody stands.
 
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In other news, according to these folks, the time to nuclear holocaust is now down to 2 1/2 minutes.

As one who lived through a few fevered days during the Cuban Missile Crisis hiding in the Appalachias with some freaked out DC-area mothers and their kids, frequent air raid drills with testing of emergency broadcast signals around the country, required stock of foodstuffs at my elementary school for emergencies, and neighbors who built bomb shelters... it worries me that nukes have become so nonchalant a topic for people like Trump. All that stuff back then may have been useless and panicky, but another thing is altogether would be to set a few of these nukes, especially H-bombs, off. Since it would be the yuugest orange conflagration ever in history, maybe the Pres will realize that might overshadow his amazing and funny-colored hair. This kind of thinking evidently carries weight with him; let's get the idea to go viral on Twitter so he'll know it's a people-are-saying-so-true-ism.
 

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