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President Trump: Part II

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The Great Zaganza said:
Trump is obviously the greater veteran - he never got captured.
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A total strategic genius.

But McCain shouldn't have necessarily refused to endorse Trump on the grounds of that pathetic statement, since that is a bit close to personal for him. Remember back when Cruz showed a bit of spine and refused to endorse? It didn't come off as principled at all. He didn't talk about the importance of this or that conservative value, but about how Trump insulted his family.

Which, of course, later turned out to be totally forgivable, but that's not my point.

McCain could have said that this man lacks the requisite knowledge and character to hold this office, that he is a danger to our nation, but he went with party loyalty, which disappointed me. (But so did his last run for president.)
 
If you worry about the cost of that wall, we've got one on sale for cheap 'cause we have no longer any use for it. Worked pretty well for almost 30 years.

There's a sample at the UN HQ in NY, so Trump can just hop over and have a look.
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All 91 miles of it?
Please can you send them 10-12 walls. And no kissing will be allowed on them.
 
TofuFighter said:
All 91 miles of it?
Please can you send them 10-12 walls. And no kissing will be allowed on them.
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I suspect if you gathered up all the "genuine" bits of the Berlin wall you could find all over the world, you might have enough.
 
I heard an NPR report about that lawsuit that came up earlier.

Short summary: They are trying to claim standing based on a precedent from an obscure housing discrimination case that was argued on similar grounds. It will fail. They won't get standing.

Of course, that's in the long run. It doesn't mean they can't get a sympathetic judge at a district level who might buy into it, which would be enough to cause Mr. President much grief until it's overturned on appeal.
 
newyorkguy said:
Just as information, Konstantin Kakaes the person who wrote the article in the MIT Review, is not a member of MIT. he is a fellow at the The America Foundation, a non-partisan Washington-based think tank. He describes himself as a journalist. Link Most of his career has been in journalism. (One assignment I found fascinating was, he spent five years as the Mexico City correspondent for The Economist.)

My point being, this is an interesting article but it was not written by an engineer, or builder or a technical person, or someone on the staff at MIT. Kakaes does seem like an interesting guy, though.
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Don't forget physics at Harvard. He strikes me as being very science literate for a journalist. That said, I don't know what sources he used to create that article. I would love to see a more rigorous treatment of the proposed project, I'm just not trusting the numbers Trump is putting out.
 
Argumemnon said:
I think you're misunderstanding me. There _is_ no compromise with the extremists, only with other moderates who disagree with you. Left-leaning moderates and right-leaning moderates can reach agreements. Ideologues cannot.
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This compromise is a very interesting concept. Does it mean we agree to all just be a little bit racist, just violate a few human rights and only start every second war that is suggested?
 
Stacko said:
He had an interesting interview with David Muir.

He's bragging about the claque he brought to the CIA. Also, Peyton Manning never addressed the CIA. He either thinks he got bigger standing ovation in a CIA briefing room than Manning did in a football stadium or Manning spoke to the CIA. Neither of those thoughts are sane. This man should be in an asylum not the White House.
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What struck me most about that particular interview was when it was pointed out to Trump his ego seemed to be taking up too much of his time.
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it's -- it's bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars -- of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president?
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And he launched into how many people clapped and cheered and how long his standing ovation was, completely oblivious to the point of the question, and unresponsive to it.
PRESIDENT TRUMP: OK, so I'm glad you asked....

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I'll mention you -- we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they were all CIA. [denies he brought his own people]...

I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take -- take out your tape -- you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've ....
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
This compromise is a very interesting concept. Does it mean we agree to all just be a little bit racist, just violate a few human rights and only start every second war that is suggested?
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Picking a middle point between two options isn't the only form of compromise.

But of course you know that. You just thought it was easier to write a snarky post than to actually discuss what I'm saying. It's a lot easier to write something that congratulates you and allows you to safely maintain your opinion than to challenge them.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
What struck me most about that particular interview was when it was pointed out to Trump his ego seemed to be taking up too much of his time.


And he launched into how many people clapped and cheered and how long his standing ovation was, completely oblivious to the point of the question, and unresponsive to it.
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Cult of Personality.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What struck me most about that particular interview was when it was pointed out to Trump his ego seemed to be taking up too much of his time.
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it's -- it's bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars -- of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president?
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And he launched into how many people clapped and cheered and how long his standing ovation was, completely oblivious to the point of the question, and unresponsive to it.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: OK, so I'm glad you asked....

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I'll mention you -- we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they were all CIA. [denies he brought his own people]...

I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take -- take out your tape -- you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've ....
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Beside everything that has already been said, Trump sounds like a very unhappy and unsatisfiable man.
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
Reading a transcript of the Muir/ABC News interview...the man is a babbling, incoherent mess. Honestly, WTF?!
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I don't think that he's a mess... I mean, when he speaks and... let me tell you, a lot of people agree with me that he's very eloquent and that when he -- I mean, millions of people agree with him, right? So when we say that he knows what he's talking about, there's no question about it, and... some people say he's the greatest public speaker since Cicero and, who am I to argue that? I'm not Cicero! Are you? Anyway, so I think it's not fair to -- let's remember how divided the country is, right? You can't just come up and say that the President... and he knows what he's talking about, I mean he has the pulse of the people so -- did you see how many people were at the inauguration? Millions, I'm told. Way more than Obama. Anyway, so he speaks to all these people and they cheer him... and the God makes the rain stop right there. That has to mean something, right? Why would the rain... and yeah, there's the issue of the wall, but you have to understand that, you know, this immigration business isn't-- it's not like he's arguing for concentration camps or anything, but when the American people wants jobs he has to find ways to give-- I mean, millions of illegal votes for Clinton. It's a good thing he's such a great speaker and managed to energise the country against this sort of thing. You say he's a mess, how do you explain... I mean the facts are right there. You can deny them of course but then you're just being unfair. So yeah, he has a good plan for America and making it great again.

...er...

...what were we discussing just now?
 
Firestone said:
Beside everything that has already been said, Trump sound like a very unhappy and unsatisfiable man.
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As McKay Coppins has noted, "Look at all of Trump's behavior through the prism of outer-borough class/status anxiety and it starts to make more sense."

“He had enormous insecurity about his place in the world,” said Tim O’Brien, one of several Donald chroniclers over the years who have heard their subject describe some version of this scene. “I think he saw Manhattan … as the only place he could get those establishment blessings he really wanted. It’s almost an unfillable hole for him.”

Trump did eventually escape Queens at 25, renting a studio apartment on the Upper East Side, where he promptly set about sweet-talking his way into the city’s most exclusive clubs and restaurants. Trump’s goal was to expand the family business into the glitzy world of high-end Manhattan real estate while actively forging the “Donald Trump” persona — that of the high-flying, fast-talking, larger-than-life titan of industry.

To get this self-portrait painted in the press, he cultivated relationships with gossip columnists and fed tips to the tabloids about his glamorous-sounding love life. When Forbes announced it would begin publishing an annual list of the 400 richest Americans, Trump sweatily lobbied the magazine to ensure his inclusion — the beginning of a sacred Trump tradition that would continue for decades. (“We love Donald,” the Forbes 400 editors wrote in 1999. “He returns our calls. He usually pays for lunch. He even estimates his own net worth.”)
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Argumemnon said:
I don't think that he's a mess... I mean, when he speaks and... let me tell you, a lot of people agree with me that he's very eloquent and that when he -- I mean, millions of people agree with him, right? So when we say that he knows what he's talking about, there's no question about it, and... some people say he's the greatest public speaker since Cicero and, who am I to argue that? I'm not Cicero! Are you? Anyway, so I think it's not fair to -- let's remember how divided the country is, right? You can't just come up and say that the President... and he knows what he's talking about, I mean he has the pulse of the people so -- did you see how many people were at the inauguration? Millions, I'm told. Way more than Obama. Anyway, so he speaks to all these people and they cheer him... and the God makes the rain stop right there. That has to mean something, right? Why would the rain... and yeah, there's the issue of the wall, but you have to understand that, you know, this immigration business isn't-- it's not like he's arguing for concentration camps or anything, but when the American people wants jobs he has to find ways to give-- I mean, millions of illegal votes for Clinton. It's a good thing he's such a great speaker and managed to energise the country against this sort of thing. You say he's a mess, how do you explain... I mean the facts are right there. You can deny them of course but then you're just being unfair. So yeah, he has a good plan for America and making it great again.

...er...

...what were we discussing just now?
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I award you a CIA-approved standing ovation.
 
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