Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

[Belz...]

Something like this?

Oh, did that hurt your feelings? Did the shock prevent you from understanding the underlying point behind my post? If so, go to my previous post to Zig right above and see what that point was.

I'm not arrogant enough to entertain the idea that my words could have an impact on your sense of self righteousness.

given your first post. Gee, grow some self-awareness, man.

 

[Shiner]

That the man being punched is a vile neo-Nazi in this case too is quickly forgotten,

Forgotten by who? Where? What is the point in making stuff up?

as is how many people would answer "yes" to the question "if you could go back in time and shoot Hitler, would you?"

What? Are we even reading the same thread?

 

[Shiner]

Oh, did that hurt your feelings? Did the shock prevent you from understanding the underlying point behind my post? If so, go to my previous post to Zig right above and see what that point was.



given your first post. Gee, grow some self-awareness, man.

You're laying irony like cement. Go you.

 

[Belz...]

You're laying irony like cement. Go you.

Look, you're the one who opened with contempt for other posters. I pointed out, snarkily, that it served no purpose but to make yourself feel good. I don't care if it hurt your feelings.

 

[Shiner]

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And now you're personalising our discussion. I'm not upset. I'm simply pointing out to him that calling other people in the discussion cowards, especially without cause, won't advance the discussion much.

The discussion was "hey! Woot! Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!" Etcetera. I wasn't looking to advance the discussion beyond maybe seeing a defence of my calling people cowards for applauding an unprovoked assault. Got one?

I hadn't read Ziggurat's post til now. It's ironic (to me) that you pulled the irony meter.

 

[Belz...]

The discussion was "hey! Woot! Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!" Etcetera.

I don't think it's cowardly to voice one's feelings towards an event that occured. You might disagree with the sentiment, and there are good arguments to be made as to why we shouldn't condone violence even against those kinds of people, but you didn't make one; you simply told us how better than those posters you are. Good for you, I say.

I wasn't looking to advance the discussion beyond maybe seeing a defence of my calling people cowards for applauding an unprovoked assault. Got one?

Not sure I understand. Why would I advance your own statements? I've advanced mine: I don't condone violence unless it's necessary, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy it when it happens to people I despise.

I hadn't read Ziggurat's post til now.

I know. That's why I directed you to it rather than re-post my own words. It wasn't a gotcha. I was inviting you to read it.

 

[Ziggurat]

And that's different from another situation how?

Do you seriously have to worry about not knowing what will be legal and what won't be? Do you seriously not understand that the way the law operates under a dictatorship is fundamentally different than the way it operates in a well-functioning democracy?

I don't see the distinction.

There's only so much help I can give you.

He doesn't have the moral high ground.

Yes, actually, he does.

You just happen to agree with him. That's not the same thing. Well, actually, it kind of is.

No. I have chosen to agree with him because he has the moral high ground.

 

[Shiner]

I don't care if it hurt your feelings.

Is this something you're going to repeat to yourself until you believe it?

I'm intrigued as to why you would think you have that influence over someone on a forum.

Are you projecting, perhaps? Have my words offended you, or someone close to you?

 

[Belz...]

Do you seriously have to worry about not knowing what will be legal and what won't be? Do you seriously not understand that the way the law operates under a dictatorship is fundamentally different than the way it operates in a well-functioning democracy?

I'm not saying that there is no difference between autocracy and democracy or between a stable democracy and a military dictatorship, so these questions don't seem relevant to what I said. I note, however, that you admit that there is a rule of law under a dictatorship.

There's only so much help I can give you.

Zero is not "much". I actually thought you'd tell me the distinction you see, but I guess it was much more useful to post the above.

I have chosen to agree with him because he has the moral high ground.

How do you determine that he has the high ground if you disagree with him to begin with? That makes no sense.

 

[Belz...]

Is this something you're going to repeat to yourself until you believe it?

Quite the contrary. I said it because I already believe it: I have absolutely no care for your feelings, and I suspect you don't care about mine either. Why would you? What a strange post you just wrote. It really seems that it's all about your feelings, here. In fact, your "mirror attack" indicates that you think it's all about feelings, period.

 

[Shiner]

I don't think it's cowardly to voice one's feelings towards an event that occured. You might disagree with the sentiment, and there are good arguments to be made as to why we shouldn't condone violence even against those kinds of people, but you didn't make one;

Do I need to explain to bunch of intelligent adults that unprovoked assault is wrong? Is this 4th grade?

I
you simply told us how better than those posters you are. Good for you, I say.

No, I didn't make any statements about myself. I lose track. non sequitur, strawman, ad hominem..... it's one of those. Probably more than one. These conversations get so tiresome. Why invent stuff that didn't happen? Everyone can read it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

There is a legal standard for what constitutes a threat. And threatening someone with death is illegal. Spencer is not in jail, he is not even under investigation. Unless you have some actual evidence to the contrary, I have to conclude that Spencer did not, in fact, threaten you or anyone else with death.

Yes the death camps would be a matter of political policy and therefore totally OK. Telling people to kill all the blacks is legal, telling people to kill a specific black is not.

 

[Belz...]

Do I need to explain to bunch of intelligent adults that unprovoked assault is wrong? Is this 4th grade?

Again, this is not an argument. It's just incredulity and outrage. How dare other people disagree with you? And might I point out for the third time that I don't condone violence? I've said so many times already.

No, I didn't make any statements about myself.

If you contemptuously call another person a coward then it follows that you think cowards are bad and that you are not one, meaning that you consider yourself better than the other person. This isn't complicated stuff, here.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Oh, I fully support Spencer's assailant being arrested and charged with assault and/or battery.

I just am amused at what happened (and was unaware that Galloway had likewise gotten a poke, which also amuses me, though I'd still prefer it to have been Choudary. Guess you can't have everything).

Just like Buzz Aldrin should have been arrested.

 

[ponderingturtle]

One can also engage in non-violent protest and needing to cover one's face as a measure for not getting assaulted and kidnapped.

What is wrong with violent protest where you need to cover up your identity? The nation was founded by such noble actions like the boston tea party. Destruction of private property to protest political actions is one of the most american values there is, it helped in its founding after all.

 

[Shiner]

Quite the contrary. I said it because I already believe it: I have absolutely no care for your feelings, and I suspect you don't care about mine either. Why would you? What a strange post you just wrote. It really seems that it's all about your feelings, here. In fact, your "mirror attack" indicates that you think it's all about feelings, period.

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone

Your interpretations of my posts are interesting. You know that kind of interesting where you don't feel the need to explore in more detail.......

 

[uke2se]

Forgotten by who? Where? What is the point in making stuff up?

It's forgotten in the narrative. I'm not accusing you of anything.

What? Are we even reading the same thread?

Look, if you don't understand, ask.

 

[Belz...]

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone

Your interpretations of my posts are interesting. You know that kind of interesting where you don't feel the need to explore in more detail.......

What are you talking about? I'm describing what I care about. And it's clear that the rest of your contributions are emotion-driven. It doesn't take much interpretation.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Dressed in anarcho-coward uniform.

Yea dressing up as indians is much more traditional and patriotic.

 

[fuelair]

I found this on Snopes, thankfully other anti-Trump protestors condemned this act:



http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/24/protester-sets-trump-supporters-hair-on-fire/

That is very, very wrong!!!!! I hope the person setting the fire has a very long time in jail!!!!!!!! And is sued heavy. I fear that if the person had targeted trumpf I would not be similarly inclined though.