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President Trump: Part II

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Given that us non-Trumpians are constantly told that we can't ever understand what makes Trump voters into Trump voters, I thought this article was interesting. It's about a young Trump voter eloquently explaining why he voted for Trump. Turns out it has to do with him feeling that his community and peers are in dire straits economically, in spite of data showing that reality doesn't support his feelings.

It would seem that alternative reality is pervasive among Trump voters. In light of this, the biggest task for those of us living in the real world will be to bring enough of these people into reality to stop the ongoing madness.
 
Argumemnon said:
I think the major problem today is that alternative reality is pervasive for most people, period.
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I don't know about that. The alternative reality that Trump voters live in is identified in the article. I don't know about any other alternative reality pervasive among people.
 
Argumemnon said:
I think the major problem today is that alternative reality is pervasive for most people, period.
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Indeed. And in all of human history, also. We have more easy ways to verify whether our perceptions are accurate today than ever before, but they won't help people who would rather believe a story that reinforces their preconceptions than know if it's really true.
 
uke2se said:
I don't know about that. The alternative reality that Trump voters live in is identified in the article. I don't know about any other alternative reality pervasive among people.
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Have you ever met deeply religious people? How about Libertarians? Or trickle-down economy proponents?
 
wareyin said:
Have you ever met deeply religious people? How about Libertarians? Or trickle-down economy proponents?
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Alright, point taken. Although in a venn diagram, I'd wager there's considerable overlap between these groups and Trump voters.

I'm an advocate for reality based thinking. I would oppose alternative realities everywhere they are found (not counting entertainment). I see an identified alternative reality here, and it brings nothing to the discussion to say that there are other alternative realities too.
 
Trump paving the way for a return to the US torturing prisoners at CIA black sites.

The Trump administration is preparing a sweeping executive order that would clear the way for the Central Intelligence Agency to reopen overseas “black site” prisons, like those where it detained and tortured terrorism suspects before former President Obama shut them down.

President Trump’s three-page draft order, titled “Detention and Interrogation of Enemy Combatants,” and obtained by The New York Times would also undo many of the other restrictions on handling detainees that Mr. Obama put in place in response to policies of the Bush administration.

If Mr. Trump signs the draft order, he would also revoke Mr. Obama’s directive to give the International Committee of the Red Cross access to all wartime detainees in American custody – another step toward reopening secret prisons outside of the normal wartime rules established by the Geneva Conventions.

And while Mr. Obama tried to close the Guantánamo prison and refused to bring new detainees there, the draft order directs the Pentagon to continue using the facility “for the detention and trial of newly captured” detainees – including not just more suspected members of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, like the 41 remaining detainees, but also Islamic State detainees. It does not address legal problems that might raise.
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uke2se said:
Given that us non-Trumpians are constantly told that we can't ever understand what makes Trump voters into Trump voters, I thought this article was interesting. It's about a young Trump voter eloquently explaining why he voted for Trump. Turns out it has to do with him feeling that his community and peers are in dire straits economically, in spite of data showing that reality doesn't support his feelings.
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This is not far from mirroring a story on the forum by ChrisBKRPFY who stated that in Kentucky he saw so many people out of jobs and factories closing down as an explanation for voting Trump, only to be presented with the fact that during the most recent presidency, unemployment had halved in the state. I'm not sure that he ever responded to that. (I have tried to find the posts - will edit if I do.)
 
uke2se said:
Given that us non-Trumpians are constantly told that we can't ever understand what makes Trump voters into Trump voters
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I don't think that's accurate. I think you are constantly told that belittling and insulting them is not the best way to win the next election.

Oh look, there you go again.
 
Giz said:
I don't think that's accurate. I think you are constantly told that belittling and insulting them is not the best way to win the next election.

Oh look, there you go again.
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I think neither side wants to understand the other, anymore. It's all about the echo chamber.
 
Giz said:
I don't think that's accurate. I think you are constantly told that belittling and insulting them is not the best way to win the next election.

Oh look, there you go again.
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It's not belittling to describe reality. It's simply describing reality.

And, we have been told that we can't understand over and over again, by such noted philosophers as logger and ChrisBKRPFY.
 
uke2se said:
It's not belittling to describe reality. It's simply describing reality.
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Scepticism 101: An anecdote is not data, nor can a trend be drawn from just two points... unless its something I feel strongly about.
 
Giz said:
Scepticism 101: An anecdote is not data, nor can a trend be drawn from just two points... unless its something I feel strongly about.
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True. It's possible that Chris, logger and the person in the article are the only people who can be described this way, and that their impression that many people feel this way is fiction.

Guess the skeptical thing to do is to simply forget about it.
 
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