Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

Giordano said:
In reading your post I honestly first thought you were headed toward a different direction than you were. I don't applaud Spencer being punched- I'm against it. But I must admit that my addition, highlighted below, comes close to my own feelings about it.

1. Some person somewhere gets punched in the face - I yawn, there are a million of these every day. The fact that this guy belongs to group 3 below further dulls any outrage that I might have had.2. Some person somewhere gets shot and dies - I yawn, there are at least hundreds of these every day.
3. Some person mouths off about wanting to ethnically cleanse some country - I yawn, there are hordes of fanatical bigots in every country.
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Fair enough. You don't need to feel outraged - I don't. Some posts just come too close to 'that's a bad thing, I sure hope it doesn't happen again - nudge nudge, wink wink' for my liking. That's what made me sit up and blink. For me it comes across as implied approval or even encouragement of the thug's actions. YMMV.
 
Lorentz said:
I find this one of the more disturbing threads on the forum. My reasons are as follows. If one of the following happens:
1. Some person somewhere gets punched in the face - I yawn, there are a million of these every day.
2. Some person somewhere gets shot and dies - I yawn, there are at least hundreds of these every day.
3. Some person mouths off about wanting to ethnically cleanse some country - I yawn, there are hordes of fanatical bigots in every country.
4. On a skeptics board full of humanists, people applaud some person getting hit in the face because they are revolted by that person's politics - I sit up and worry about the state of humanity.

If finding someone's political views repugnant is enough of an excuse for some of you to condone or encourage physical violence against them, I don't think you can call yourselves humanists (unsure if you do, just saying). Being against unprovoked violence only when it's done against people you like doesn't suffice.

Also I don't think I want to play with you.
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Well, let's be clear.

I wouldn't laugh, in any ordinary state. Spencer's a white supremacist. He'd like to see me, and my family, subjugated, or dead.

I'll laugh at him getting punched in the face. And yes, we need people who hate all violence.

This is a special case. I won't be violent, but I won't be kind, either.

If you want to disown me...well, okay.
 
Hitting people is wrong, especially if they haven't got a chance to defend themselves.

But Spencer's very meek reaction is rather telling: he, like most of his fans, is all talk and no action.
 
Checkmite said:
Raiders of the Lost Ark always was one of my favorite movies.
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I like the movie too, but it's got a major problem: Indiana Jones's actions were pointless and accomplished nothing. Had he done nothing, the Nazis would still have found the ark, would still have opened it, and it still would have melted their faces off. He accomplishes nothing in the film.
 
Ziggurat said:
I like the movie too, but it's got a major problem: Indiana Jones's actions were pointless and accomplished nothing. Had he done nothing, the Nazis would still have found the ark, would still have opened it, and it still would have melted their faces off. He accomplishes nothing in the film.
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he killed that big dude with a BV-38 Flying Wing.
 
Ziggurat said:
I like the movie too, but it's got a major problem: Indiana Jones's actions were pointless and accomplished nothing. Had he done nothing, the Nazis would still have found the ark, would still have opened it, and it still would have melted their faces off. He accomplishes nothing in the film.
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Now I am having images of Jones getting genre savvy. He stops bothering trying to stop the villains and just goes along with them until their inevitable failure to grasp the magnitude of the forces they are dealing with kills them. THen picks the artifact up.
 
Ziggurat said:
I like the movie too, but it's got a major problem: Indiana Jones's actions were pointless and accomplished nothing. Had he done nothing, the Nazis would still have found the ark, would still have opened it, and it still would have melted their faces off. He accomplishes nothing in the film.
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That"s pretty common in Spielberg movies and most likely entirely intentional.
 
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As much as I despise that little creep and what he stands for, you don't just get to run up and clock someone. That's not how civilization works, and besides, it only plays into his narrative. Whatever idiot did that should be jailed. It's no more helpful than trashing a Satarbucks at Trump's inauguration.
 
sts60 said:
As much as I despise that little creep and what he stands for, you don't just get to run up and clock someone. That's not how civilization works, and besides, it only plays into his narrative. Whatever idiot did that should be jailed. It's no more helpful than trashing a Satarbucks at Trump's inauguration.
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Yet throwing someone else's tea in the harbor is OK for some reason, and rioting can be forgotten about if the redcoats shoot a few of you.

The rationals are confusing
 
sts60 said:
As much as I despise that little creep and what he stands for, you don't just get to run up and clock someone. That's not how civilization works, and besides, it only plays into his narrative. Whatever idiot did that should be jailed. It's no more helpful than trashing a Satarbucks at Trump's inauguration.
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ponderingturtle said:
Yet throwing someone else's tea in the harbor is OK for some reason, and rioting can be forgotten about if the redcoats shoot a few of you.

The rationals are confusing
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The bar to make use of violence against people valid is much, much higher than the bar to make destruction of property valid.

In this case I don't think either is valid.
 
sts60 said:
As much as I despise that little creep and what he stands for, you don't just get to run up and clock someone. That's not how civilization works, and besides, it only plays into his narrative. Whatever idiot did that should be jailed. It's no more helpful than trashing a Satarbucks at Trump's inauguration.
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Where did you get the highlighted idea from? Civilization has included violence provoked by words since the invention of words. No, it's not okay, but it's also not a crisis. This particular instance definitely doesn't warrant the attention it's received unless one truly believes that either A) it's indicative of a leftist propensity for violence (utter nonsense) or B) it's truly okay for people to punch people who say things and hold beliefs that are terribly offensive (rather than simply being amused by a hatemonger getting punched). I'd make a wild-ass guess that less than 1% of the people saying that the punch was great, deserved, or just plain funny would actually believe B and do the same; and 99% of those who claim that option A is true are doing so just to score Internet Points.
 
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Cleon said:
I'm pro-Nazi punching.

If you think punching a Nazi is comparable to Josef Mengele, your opinion is invalid.
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Ball kicking is more satisfying - they also sterilized people - and really gets their attention!!! (Remember the first rule of communication is "First, you gotta get their attention......."!!!!)
 
It appears there's a German word ready & waiting for such situations - backpfeifengesicht. Roughly translates to "a face in need of a slap".

I don't approve of punching people, but he does have that kind of a face.
 
Considering he was the founder and editor of a website that published an article titled "Is Black Genocide Right?" (the article came down on the side of "yes" to that question), I for one am perfectly okay with someone punching him in the face.
 
I do not advocate or support violence in response to a purely political position. Not ever. But a more open question is if it is okay for me to applaud (or at least find mildly entertaining) violence which occurs against someone who is advocating violence against me and my family.
 
Giordano said:
I do not advocate or support violence in response to a purely political position. Not ever. But a more open question is if it is okay for me to [I]applaud[/I] (or at least find mildly entertaining) violence which occurs against someone who is advocating violence against me and my family.
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I wouldn't condemn that. The line that I felt was being crossed in some of the comments, was approval verging on encouragement of political violence.

I'm against it, no matter how foul I may think the victim's views are. Once you cross that line, it becomes hard to objectively distinguish between brownshirts and good guys. Most brownshirts probably thought they WERE the good guys. Their moms and dads and little sisters probably agreed.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Hitting people is wrong, especially if they haven't got a chance to defend themselves.

But Spencer's very meek reaction is rather telling: he, like most of his fans, is all talk and no action.
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Isn't that a good thing? Adults talk. The meek hide their face and punch people and run away. He didn't even knock him down, he barely dazed him. Weak/meek punch. ;)

I have no idea who the guy is, he sounds like an ass. Unfortunately this coward who punched him elevated him morally on national TV by making him a victim.

It is disgraceful. The hypocrisy is thick with 'the left'. "Hey that guy is talking about violence, let's kick his ass!"

Every single one of these stupid acts just convinces Trump voters that they did the right thing. These people are dancing to his tune and helping the very people they think they are fighting.
 
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