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AlaskaBushPilot said:
I am soooo looking forward to the destruction of political correctness.
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I eyeroll at PC police gone mad and the special snowflakes who boycott comedians on college campuses too, but on balance I don't understand objections to political correctness.

What's wrong with using terms for people that they prefer because other terms cause them pain or are inaccurate, etc.? Just seems like common decency to address people they way they'd like to be addressed.

Are there ideas you'd like to express that are somehow outlawed? Heck, we've got active neoNazi groups in this country, and political correctness doesn't seem to be stifling their activities. As for corporate media, don't the popularity of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. prove that there are mainstream outlets for being politically incorrect?
 
The Shrike said:
I eyeroll at PC police gone mad and the special snowflakes who boycott comedians on college campuses too, but on balance I don't understand objections to political correctness.

What's wrong with using terms for people that they prefer because other terms cause them pain or are inaccurate, etc.? Just seems like common decency to address people they way they'd like to be addressed.

Are there ideas you'd like to express that are somehow outlawed? Heck, we've got active neoNazi groups in this country, and political correctness doesn't seem to be stifling their activities. As for corporate media, don't the popularity of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. prove that there are mainstream outlets for being politically incorrect?
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The term "politically correct" itself is a way of sneering at behavior that others might regard as simple decency. We generally agree that it's wrong to refer to people by ethnic, sexual or racial slurs, or demean them based on appearance or handicaps. But people (usually but not always privileged white males) who used to enjoy doing those things feel constrained by contemporary prohibitions. So if they can't say "n---er" or "f---ot" or "retard" etc., they feel their rights are being infringed. i say tough, get used to it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Don't confuse failing to accept your argument with a failure on your part to adequately explain it.

I know exactly what you are saying. You are discounting a reputable source with known Russian contacts, calling some evidence, no evidence because it is acknowledged as unconfirmed.
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"I was told that a thing happened, but nobody has confirmed it" That's evidence right? Your burden of proof appears to be very low simply because you want it to be true.

In this case, what you have is an article that says that a report exists that contains unverified and unconfirmed claims. The article says that the report was written by someone who generally has a good reputation. Fine. There is a plausible chance that the information contained in the report that the article claims exists is legitimate. By all means, accept that there are allegations that should be investigated. I happen to agree that the allegations should be investigated.

But until such time as actual evidence of the allegations exist, the fact that a report was written doesn't mean the allegations are true. That a report exists isn't evidence that the events in the report are true. They are, at present, allegations.

Seriously - if a person is alleged to have committed a crime, that isn't evidence that they committed a crime. This is the same thing.

Skeptic Ginger said:
If you smell bacon but haven't seen it frying in the pan, is that some evidence of bacon, or no evidence because it was unconfirmed?
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If you hear something you believe is bigfoot, that someone else tells you was bigfoot, but you haven't actually seen bigfoot, is that evidence of bigfoot? Or is it not evidence because it's both unverified and unconfirmed?

At present, you haven't even smelled the bacon yourself. You've been told that someone else reported that they smelled bacon, but that the bacon itself is unconfirmed and hasn't been verified.
 
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Bob001 said:
The term "politically correct" itself is a way of sneering at behavior that others might regard as simple decency. We generally agree that it's wrong to refer to people by ethnic, sexual or racial slurs, or demean them based on appearance or handicaps. But people (usually but not always privileged white males) who used to enjoy doing those things feel constrained by contemporary prohibitions. So if they can't say "n---er" or "f---ot" or "retard" etc., they feel their rights are being infringed. i say tough, get used to it.
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I agree with you. Those people that attack "political correctness" tend to be bigots.
 
Bob001 said:
...I can't help but wonder, if Trump had met Obama in, say, 2008, when Obama was a candidate, or even at some point early in his first term, would Trump have gone down the "birther" road and ultimately run for President? In 2008 Trump was a New York businessman who had taken liberal positions and contributed to numerous political campaigns...
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Somewhere in here I posted quotes and links to Trump in that era. In 2008 he was a Democrat and he supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. After Obama won the nomination Trump went 'the high road,' and instead of bashing Obama he praised Hillary Clinton as a "wonderful person" who would have made "a great president." He predicted her career "is far from over." Later, after Obama won the election, Trump seemed supportive. He said Obama would have no easy time as the first black president, that in order to be recognized as a good president, "He'll have to be a great president." Trump said he didn't think that was fair but that was reality.

Three years later he was suggesting Obama was a foreign-born Muslim secretly working to overthrow our democratic form of government. What happened in the interim? Serious people I know say it sounds like the onset of some form of mental illness.

Former Republican Senator Lowell Weiker once called Trump a "dirt bag." Maybe "nut job" is now more appropriate? ;)
 
newyorkguy said:
Somewhere in here I posted quotes and links to Trump in that era. In 2008 he was a Democrat and he supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. After Obama won the nomination Trump went 'the high road,' and instead of bashing Obama he praised Hillary Clinton as a "wonderful person" who would have made "a great president." He predicted her career "is far from over." Later, after Obama won the election, Trump seemed supportive. He said Obama would have no easy time as the first black president, that in order to be recognized as a good president, "He'll have to be a great president." Trump said he didn't think that was fair but that was reality.

Three years later he was suggesting Obama was a foreign-born Muslim secretly working to overthrow our democratic form of government. What happened in the interim? Serious people I know say it sounds like the onset of some form of mental illness.

Former Republican Senator Lowell Weiker once called Trump a "dirt bag." Maybe "nut job" is now more appropriate? ;)
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Maybe Putin changed Trump's views.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
I am soooo looking forward to the destruction of political correctness. The legacy media cartel on so-called "news" and information is over. Their ability to terrorize people into compliance with the specter of media assassination is attenuated by allowing more voices to be heard.

Look how they whined at opening up the press pool. Poor babies.
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So am I.

I'm beyond tired of people whining when I point out their obvious racism, sexism, homophobia, and the like. Imagine them taking the view seriously, instead of complaining that I'm "the real racist" or whatever...

Imagine such people taking on their own prejudices, instead of whining about the people who noticed them.
 
Emily's Cat said:
"I was told that a thing happened, but nobody has confirmed it" That's evidence right? Your burden of proof appears to be very low simply because you want it to be true.

In this case, what you have is an article that says that a report exists that contains unverified and unconfirmed claims. The article says that the report was written by someone who generally has a good reputation. Fine. There is a plausible chance that the information contained in the report that the article claims exists is legitimate. By all means, accept that there are allegations that should be investigated. I happen to agree that the allegations should be investigated.
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Allegations which deserve to be investigated, AKA evidence that needs a closer look.

Emily's Cat said:
If you hear something you believe is bigfoot, that someone else tells you was bigfoot, but you haven't actually seen bigfoot, is that evidence of bigfoot? Or is it not evidence because it's both unverified and unconfirmed?
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This analogy is irrelevant on so many levels. Big Foot has been thoroughly investigated and found to be nonexistent.

Emily's Cat said:
At present, you haven't even smelled the bacon yourself. You've been told that someone else reported that they smelled bacon, but that the bacon itself is unconfirmed and hasn't been verified.
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I read the 35 pages (actually ~14 have nothing on them) and I looked into the credentials of the investigator and the investigative agency. You seem to think all there is here are a few rumors bandied about.
 
Add this to your not-evidence Emily'sCat.

ntercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.

The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.....

...Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative....

...The Associated Press has reported that [Manafort's] work for Ukraine included a secret lobbying effort in Washington aimed at influencing American news organizations and government officials.
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Of course we should judge Trump both by his words and his actions: that's what we have done with every president; by which logic do we have to make an exception for Trump?

As the leader and representative of the USA, what the president says almost always has direct consequences, and Trump already claims that his tweets have saved jobs. So even he wants credit for the hot air he blows. Let's not forget to give him the blame, too.
 
Chris Matthews on Colbert Late Night tonight:

"I sent a Christmas card picture of my family to Trump one year and Trump autographed it, "Nice Family, Donald Trump" and sent it back."

Tell me this guy's narcissism isn't pathologic.
 
newyorkguy said:
If it ever happens I expect to see posters here "explaining" why the mass killing off of poor people is a) not really bad, b) not really undemocratic and c) why it "doesn't really" violate the Constitution, either. :(
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What a horrible thing to say, and what a horrible thing to assume about people who you don't even know.

Your unwarranted negative pre-judgement of others is pure bigotry.
 
willim said:
What a horrible thing to say, and what a horrible thing to assume about people who you don't even know.

Your unwarranted negative pre-judgement of others is pure bigotry.
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... or maybe it's just satirical exaggeration, snowflake.
 
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