This is true, and especially hypocritical of Leave campaign. They advocated non-EU migrants coming into Germany as a reason to vote Leave.
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This is true, and especially hypocritical of Leave campaign. They advocated non-EU migrants coming into Germany as a reason to vote Leave.
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Corbyn is so poorly regarded at the moment that the Conservative Party is considered better able to manage the NHS than Labour
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...abour-with-nhs-this-winter-poll-a7527551.html
To use a football analogy, not only has Corbyn failed to score when faced with an open goal, he's managed to hit himself in the face with the ball.
Corbyn is so ineffectual that he has managed to move public opinion against Labour on subjects where they should be safe as houses so no, although Corbyn may try to kick up a stink, IMO he will fail miserably.
I think this is a fair assessment of the man.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...abour-with-nhs-this-winter-poll-a7527551.html
To use a football analogy, not only has Corbyn failed to score when faced with an open goal, he's managed to hit himself in the face with the ball.
Corbyn is so ineffectual that he has managed to move public opinion against Labour on subjects where they should be safe as houses so no, although Corbyn may try to kick up a stink, IMO he will fail miserably.
Brexit offers him three to four open goals easily and without even trying to create opportunities. It's not like this is his only shot. Besides, cutting funds to NHS isn't bound to make Tories seem like paragons of competence either, so it wasn't his only shot at this goal either.
Labour is in a bad situation with a leader that is good at winning party votes, but bad at pretty much everything else. He is trying however, and it's doubtful even he will miss all the shots. As the saying goes however, you miss 100% of shots you don't take. The worst thing right now is letting Tories go easy "because they will win anyway". They might. They also might not. There are so many open goals here they face a major uphill struggle on all fronts.
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Corbyn is so poorly regarded at the moment that the Conservative Party is considered better able to manage the NHS than Labour
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...abour-with-nhs-this-winter-poll-a7527551.html
To use a football analogy, not only has Corbyn failed to score when faced with an open goal, he's managed to hit himself in the face with the ball.
Corbyn is so ineffectual that he has managed to move public opinion against Labour on subjects where they should be safe as houses so no, although Corbyn may try to kick up a stink, IMO he will fail miserably.
However, as he is the only real alternative game in town perhaps its time for all of us who are genuinely afraid of what Brexit will bring to start pressuring him to be the real party for those of us who are worried about the disaster facing us. We can either go on sniping at both sides or start campaigning with like minded people to provide real opposition that the Labour Party and others can get behind. We need a "poll tax" type intervention if we want to have any chance of changing this. I do have a 41oC temp at present so please take that into account if you think this is crazy thinking.
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The UK will not retain "partial" membership of the EU once it leaves, Theresa May will say in her much-anticipated Brexit speech.
The PM will tell other European countries the UK wants to trade with them "as freely as possible" but will not be "half-in, half-out" of the EU.
Her speech is expected to include further hints Britain could leave the EU single market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
The PM will tell other European countries the UK wants to trade with them "as freely as possible" but will not be "half-in, half-out" of the EU.
Her speech is expected to include further hints Britain could leave the EU single market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
The trouble is that Corbyn is well known to have been pro-Brexit in the past so that attempts by him to counter Brexit will be met by (quite probably accurate) accusations of political opportunism. The anti-Hard Brexit camp need to be led my someone with a long and unimpeachable history of being not anti-EU. The LibDems have Tim Fallon, the Conservatives have "Dear Old" Ken Clark - I'm not sure who Labour could put up.
Oh, he should, can and will take his shots but IMO he is so ineffectual that it may actually make things worse.
Stretching the football analogy (probably until breaking point), Corbyn is like an incompetent ball-hog centre-forward who insists on shooting every time the ball comes his way. Every shot misses the target and worse yet, he gives away position in a dangerous part of the field allowing the opposing team to counter attack.
Meanwhile, as those "useless" experts predicted, inflation is on the way up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38649676
Sterling has fallen close to 20%, or in other words, denominated in any currency other than the pound, we're all significantly poorer than we were last year. I suppose the "good news" is that those who have negative net worth are marginally less worse off
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38649676
Sterling has fallen close to 20%, or in other words, denominated in any currency other than the pound, we're all significantly poorer than we were last year. I suppose the "good news" is that those who have negative net worth are marginally less worse off
Yeah, I'd like to politely ask you to re-write this once your fever subsides.
It is somewhat hard to understand.
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I think part of May's attitude and plans is in fact something not to do with the EU - or not directly - and that is to engineer a withdrawal from Churchill's ECHR. I think she harbours resentment that it "interferes" with the UK.
Hostility to foreigners is certainly psychological. From the Guardian.
One [Swedish]woman working in the City [of London] told how her chief executive had to send an email to all employees to tell them xenophobic behaviour was not acceptable after she was told by a colleague that the country had voted to get people like her to “get out”.
And that's indeed what they voted for. May is now accommodating herself to that "psychology".May will cast the speech as her completed and final plan for negotiations, in which she will target full control of immigration and ending the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice over British laws.
She will be less definitive about Britain’s membership of the European tariff-free customs union, indicating a hybrid model may be the best option.
She will be less definitive about Britain’s membership of the European tariff-free customs union, indicating a hybrid model may be the best option.
I agree, she wants to march boldly back to the 1950's when Britain was great and darkies, Pakis and all other johnny Foreigners knew their place. If we're out of the Council of Europe I foresee a reinstatement of the death penalty within 10 years
I'm sure there are a dozen people easy whose only fault is that they aren't sufficiently widely known. That's a major handicap, I know.
Oh, he should, can and will take his shots but IMO he is so ineffectual that it may actually make things worse.
Stretching the football analogy (probably until breaking point), Corbyn is like an incompetent ball-hog centre-forward who insists on shooting every time the ball comes his way. Every shot misses the target and worse yet, he gives away position in a dangerous part of the field allowing the opposing team to counter attack.
This is probably part of the reason why Brexit won, albeit marginally. Still, barring a better strategy, he should make those shots. Half the defenders are paraplegic and the rest are blind, he's bound to score some shots.
That said, everyone else who doesn't want UK to sail into the abyss should make those shots too. Tories have led the country on the edge of a cliff and are pushing forward, fast. Those that don't agree with them might as well make sure they either don't make it, or if they do the rest of the country lands on them as a form of a cushion. Corbyns' speech is aimed at just that. It's not a bad strategy, although Corbyn is poor at execution.
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I agree, she wants to march boldly back to the 1950's when Britain was great and darkies, Pakis and all other johnny Foreigners knew their place. If we're out of the Council of Europe I foresee a reinstatement of the death penalty within 10 years
What's the support for the death penalty in UK anyway? I found an article from 2015 which saw support dip below 50%, that's not very convincing.
I'd like to know whether this is this an ideological thing of hers, or just a cunning strategy to keep electorate talking about things that matter comparatively little to push through things that matter the most her way with little opposition (like gay marriage is routinely abused)?
Leading the county off a cliff for something this petty is a tad off the rockers, and would lend support to the hypothesis that Theresa May isn't an intelligent being, but rather an automaton that is able to imitate human behavior and speech while having no ability of conscious thought, analysis or anything else that makes a human human.
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A couple of years ago it dropped below 50% for the first time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32061822
All we "need" is a major, terrorist attack or a despicable child molestation/murder case to splash across the headlines for it to become the majority view again.
Yes, thank you, I edited my post to reflect that fact just before your reply.
But my question was whether she wants to reintroduce the death penalty because it will help her maintain her PM position or because she so deeply desires the death penalty reintroduced without considering the implications (a major controversy, long parliament debate which could be spent better etc)?The first one is cunning, the second one is retarded - both are possible. Which one do you think it is? You're more knowledgeable about the situation than me
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This is somewhat related:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/16/politics/white-nationalists-trump-losing-faith/index.html
The lowest of the low, alt-right, are losing their faith in Donald Trump and in each other. Regression towards the mean is real and it works. It could work on Brexit too, although that issue is a tad more complex and a lot less straightforward, so it hasn't really kicked in yet.
How about this for sabotage of Brexit - call for a public debate on what kind of Brexit is desirable, and seek to keep it until some form crystallizes out. Make sure to bring lots of popcorn, and stock with non-lethal weapons for added entertainment. It could be a bit late for that, although it could still be valuable. If deplorables are forced to admit they don't agree on much beyond "leave EU" nonsense their enthusiasm and by extension voting participation could well drop, reducing the problem significantly.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/16/politics/white-nationalists-trump-losing-faith/index.html
The lowest of the low, alt-right, are losing their faith in Donald Trump and in each other. Regression towards the mean is real and it works. It could work on Brexit too, although that issue is a tad more complex and a lot less straightforward, so it hasn't really kicked in yet.
How about this for sabotage of Brexit - call for a public debate on what kind of Brexit is desirable, and seek to keep it until some form crystallizes out. Make sure to bring lots of popcorn, and stock with non-lethal weapons for added entertainment. It could be a bit late for that, although it could still be valuable. If deplorables are forced to admit they don't agree on much beyond "leave EU" nonsense their enthusiasm and by extension voting participation could well drop, reducing the problem significantly.
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Yes, thank you, I edited my post to reflect that fact just before your reply.
The first one is cunning, the second one is retarded - both are possible. Which one do you think it is? You're more knowledgeable about the situation than me
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Like her position regarding a Hard Brexit, IMO Theresa May is ideologically wedded to the idea of reintroducing the death penalty.
At the moment the UK population isn't ready and you're right, she will be beaten badly in Parliament but given a long enough run up and enough lurid stories in the media, that could all change.
IMO her commitment is genuine and if so any political cost is a price worth paying.
That's a good idea and I think it's part of the reason why Theresa May has been playing her cards close to her chest until now. At this precise second, any form of Brexit (Hard, Soft, Diamond, Flaccid...whatever) is still possible and so the broad range of Leave sentiments are still being catered for.
As soon as the proposed nature of the Brexit becomes clear, that's the point at which dissent and division will start.
In other words, she's a retard. Possibly, I wanted to know your views
Death penalty is what I call a petty issue. Having the death penalty doesn't significantly improve the country in any way, and not having it doesn't improve the country significantly. The greatest advantage of not having it is that court errors don't turn deadly. That is desirable, but if it's used rarely enough doesn't amount to significantly improving the country (life in prison for something you didn't do still destroys your life, it just doesn't end it).
It is however hugely controversial and it would require lots of energy to push through. This energy could be spent better in so many ways it's a real waste of reintroducing it. Abolishing it did improve the country somewhat and was far less inherently controversial, so it could be worth the effort. Reintroducing it is just not worth it unless there is a clear reason to do so - and there isn't one.
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Well, we agree for once
yay Hold on to your udders then, the Speech is coming any minute now.
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