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Skeptic Ginger said:
Watch the lie become truth: US intelligence source leaked the 35 page dossier on Trump. Hear all the Trump operatives repeat it. Hear Trump complain about the 'leak'. Watch the news media stop correcting them. Watch the lie become truth.

I'm pretty sure the NYT can reliably say who gave them access to the 35 pages.

The only part of the report that was complied by US Intelligence was the two page summary and that to my knowledge remains confidential.

BTW, this is in the 35 pages: That is the thing the FBI is investigating. If you see Trump fire Comey, you can bet the investigation into Trump is why.
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The "leak" isn't about the actual release of the 35 pages.
A lot of people had the 35 pages back in late October. No one could print it. If the media could have verified any part of it, they would have been thrilled to report on it just days before the election.

Then came the real leak last week...
When the summary was included in the classified presidential briefing, at least 2 sources with direct knowledge told CNN-
"Hey, remember that secret agent dossier about Russian "kompromat" on Trump? Well, a 2-page summary about it was added to the briefing today."

With that leak, CNN could now report that the intelligence briefing included a summary of the completely unverified dossier -their integrity intact.

Whoever those sources were, they certainly got what they wanted!

Trump's instinctively brash responses and his accusations of various high-level people has only made the headlines worse for him.
 
Sherkeu said:
The "leak" isn't about the actual release of the 35 pages.
A lot of people had the 35 pages back in late October. No one could print it. If the media could have verified any part of it, they would have been thrilled to report on it just days before the election.
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First, they most certainly could print it, they chose not to. And yes, a lot of people not only had the 35 pages, they've been reporting on it such as David Corn in a Mother Jones article, something I posted about earlier.

Second, it's all part of the actual truth that is being ignored by the press and overwritten by Trump and his spokespersons.

Sherkeu said:
Then came the real leak last week...
When the summary was included in the classified presidential briefing, at least 2 sources with direct knowledge told CNN-
"Hey, remember that secret agent dossier about Russian "kompromat" on Trump? Well, a 2-page summary about it was added to the briefing today."
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With that leak CNN could now discuss it? That's a twisted tale.

We all know about the 2 page summary, where's your evidence said two pages have been leaked instead of just referred to?

Also note, I mentioned the 2 page summary:
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The only part of the report that was complied by US Intelligence was the two page summary and that to my knowledge remains confidential.
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Sherkeu said:
With that leak, CNN could now report that the intelligence briefing included a summary of the completely unverified dossier -their integrity intact.

Whoever those sources were, they certainly got what they wanted!

Trump's instinctively brash responses and his accusations of various high-level people has only made the headlines worse for him.
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Unless you can post a link we can parse, and unless you can show that Trump and his minions are only talking about the small detail you are referring to, you prove my point, you are accepting the lie as truth.

Classic example, rationalizing why the lie about "the leak" is truth.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I've been posting links for hours.

In the 35 pages:


Post #3388:

Post #3322:

Why is everyone stepping so gingerly around these well documented facts?

Is there enough for a conviction? Not yet.
Is there enough to quit saying there isn't any evidence? Absolutely!
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I thought the jury was still out on the veracity of the 35 pages.
 
Dumb All Over said:
Ooo, ooo! Can I get in on this one? Two quarters to Hercules56, same terms.

Tell you what, I'll even take it a step further than phiwum. I bet no impeachment and no removal.
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No impeachment in four years? Okay, I'll take that bet at even odds. One quarter says he gets impeached.

Mind, I'm only thinking it's a fifty/fifty chance, especially because I think he's really safe the first two years. I'm afraid the Republicans are too disciplined (read: unprincipled) to really consider impeachment, but I'm thinking there's a decent chance he loses some seats in the midterms.

This is all uninformed speculation on my part, obviously, but I'll go a quarter.
 
phiwum said:
No impeachment in four years? Okay, I'll take that bet at even odds. One quarter says he gets impeached.

Mind, I'm only thinking it's a fifty/fifty chance, especially because I think he's really safe the first two years. I'm afraid the Republicans are too disciplined (read: unprincipled) to really consider impeachment, but I'm thinking there's a decent chance he loses some seats in the midterms.

This is all uninformed speculation on my part, obviously, but I'll go a quarter.
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Done.

:handshake
 
Dumb All Over said:
Done.

:handshake
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Alright, boy, just remember that four years from now, on your birthday, I will owe you a quarter if you don't owe me one before then.

(Really, it ought to start on Jan. 20, but your birthday is probably easy for you to remember and I doubt that four days makes much of a difference for my chances.)

Happy Birthday, by the way, you low-life Trump supporter (redundant, I know).
 
phiwum said:
Alright, boy, just remember that four years from now, on your birthday, I will owe you a quarter if you don't owe me one before then.

(Really, it ought to start on Jan. 20, but your birthday is probably easy for you to remember and I doubt that four days makes much of a difference for my chances.)

Happy Birthday, by the way, you low-life Trump supporter (redundant, I know).
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Thank you.

And as a token for you on my birthday, minus the ad homs, let's make it eight years.
 
NoahFence said:
I thought the jury was still out on the veracity of the 35 pages.
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On the total picture, yes. For example the golden shower videos are the most unsupported speculation.

But on other details like Manafort, Tillerson, and Trump team contact multiple times with the Russian Ambassador, those are all pretty much verified. And the Russian hack as well as selectively releasing only DNC and Podesta's emails has been verified.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
He didn't, the GOP did through voter suppression.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
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Trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time?

Voter suppression is an issue. That doesn't mean Russian interference wasn't also an issue as was Comey's selective interference noting Clinton investigations while refusing to acknowledge what we now know was/is going on, a Trump/Russia investigation.
 
Dumb All Over said:
Yep.
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Trump's going to be impeached. The Republicans can't wait. They want Pence, not Trump. And Trump has more than a few flaws that open impeachment doors, it's too easy. I'd say it's like shooting fish in a barrel but I think the MythBusters debunked that.

I'll see your 25 US cents and raise that to a US dollar. I think if you say it's a gift, Paypal will let you make the transfer without charging a fee.
 
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