President Trump

[Spindrift]

Has someone ever explained to Trump that every President and Presidential candidate has been the subject of humor since the show's inceptions? Every. Single. One!

But they aren't him, so they don't matter. You can't make fun of Donald Trump especially on a show that is so terrible that Donald has to watch every episode.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

No. Lewis did not attack Trump's reality TV show. He said he thought Trump was illegitimate because of Russian (and FBI? don't recall) interference. This is relevant.

Yes, FBI. Specifically Comey, who chose to inject his personal opinion on Clinton and his last minute letter, while saying nothing about an ongoing investigation of Trump re Russian connections. As well there were the leaks and defiance in the NY office.

I don't think Lewis should have said that. I think it's troublesome, though if we find hard evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia, I'll change my tune.

The evidence is adding up.

Multiple contacts between Trump staff member and the Russian Ambassador before the election.
Manafort
Tillerson
Trump's own words and actions

 

[varwoche]

Yes, FBI. Specifically Comey, who chose to inject his personal opinion on Clinton and his last minute letter, while saying nothing about an ongoing investigation of Trump re Russian connections. As well there were the leaks and defiance in the NY office.

The evidence is adding up.

Multiple contacts between Trump staff member and the Russian Ambassador before the election.
Manafort
Tillerson
Trump's own words and actions

Add to this list the changes made to GOP platform concerning Ukraine which, if we're to believe the GOP powers that be, happened magically without any human involvement.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

To be sure, the Russian hacking of the GOP seems less intrusive than their hacking of the DNC. I've not heard any clear claims that the primary server of the GOP was compromised.

Then you missed it.

Report: Russia hacked emails associated with RNC

Of course it's no wonder the evidence here was overlooked. Comey worded it as "older emails" and the Trump team is out there with the propaganda that the RNC servers were more secure than the incompetent DNC.

Trump, DNC, RNC Flunk Email Security Test

Donald J. Trump has repeatedly bashed Sen. Hillary Clinton for handling classified documents on her private email server, suggesting that anyone who is so lax with email security isn’t fit to become president. But a closer look at the Web sites for each candidate shows that in contrast to hillaryclinton.com, donaldjtrump.com has failed to take full advantage of a free and open email security technology designed to stymie email spoofing and phishing attacks.

That was last July. IOW, Clinton's home server, which there is no evidence was hacked, was more secure than Trump's, the RNC's and the DNC's servers.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump made it clear that for the most secure messages we will given them to people to carry them around.
Nice of him to give foreign intelligences a heads-up.

 

[logger]

How exactly would he go about proving that he voted for conservatives? You don't want him to prove it. You just want to maintain your belief about him.

Psst, his post are proof of his beliefs.

Only because you rely on caricatures of the people you interact with. If you made any sort of effort to understand what people around you believe in and why, you might learn something, and learning things is dangerous for your beliefs.

That is exactly what I'm doing! No surprise in what my politics are, it's true of everyone on here. You're not fooling anyone!

 

[logger]

I'd rather watch his supporters rot.

You'll be looking up to do any observing since we're at the top!

 

[logger]

Has someone ever explained to Trump that every President and Presidential candidate has been the subject of humor since the show's inceptions? Every. Single. One!

I'm sure, but it seems no one has told him as a republican he's not supposed to fight back.

 

[Emily's Cat]

You are making an assumption there that is not at all warranted.

I'm seriously confused - what unwarranted assumption am I making?

 

[Emily's Cat]

You said Obama did not receive money from a foreign government, it was from the Nobel committee in Norway and not their Government.

So, I would expect as long as Trump does not receive money from a foreign Government, his business earnings from private ventures in other countries would likewise not violate any rules.
Chris B.

I would agree with that. I think that the point being made by others is that at least some of his business ventures in other countries actively involve concessions and payments from those governments.

I think there's also some borderline argument being made that visiting dignitaries and officials who stay at Trump's hotels would constitute a violation of the emoluments clause. I can see that argument as valid, although I also think it's negligible and not material on it's face. If Trump were offering concessions to those visiting officials, or if there were some sort of contractual agreement whereby they would only stay at his hotels, or something similar, then I think there would be a much stronger and valid argument that it's a violation.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I'm sure, but it seems no one has told him as a republican he's not supposed to fight back.

fighting back makes it obvious that he is much more insecure than if he could laugh at himself form time to time.
Comedians are desperately trying to give Trump a chance to show that he is not a sociopath.
Unfortunately, he obviously is.

 

[kookbreaker]

I'm sure, but it seems no one has told him as a republican he's not supposed to fight back.

Really? Was whining about SNL's portrayal a Democrat thing?

Please give examples of when *any* President or Presidential candidate whined about their SNL protrayal, Republican or Democrat.

Cripes, even Nixon could pretend to have a sense of humor ("sock it to me").

Trump isn't fighting back, he's whining like the thin-skinned pathetic phony he is.

 

[Belz...]

Psst, his post are proof of his beliefs.

Then by all means: what are his beliefs? In fact, what are mine? You keep dodging questions like this because you know you don't know much about us besides your caricaturisation of us.

That is exactly what I'm doing!

You do understand that I was describing how you're wilfully ignorant in order to protect your extremist beliefs, right?

 

[Fudbucker]

Has someone ever explained to Trump that every President and Presidential candidate has been the subject of humor since the show's inceptions? Every. Single. One!

And the skits have all been fair, but this last one went a bit beyond the pale. On the other hand, the GOP tried to deligitimize Obama for his whole presidency. If the right can have Birtherism and PizzaGate, the left can have GoldenShowerGate. Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Bob001]

I'm sure, but it seems no one has told him as a republican he's not supposed to fight back.

One commentator said you don't "punch down." Someone in a position of great wealth and power should be able to let criticism -- especially mild criticism by a national hero -- roll off his back. The most presidential thing Trump could have said to Lewis is "I will work hard to earn the respect of all Americans." But that's too much to hope for from Trump, isn't it?

 

[newyorkguy]

Regarding the Russian interference issue, I find myself agreeing with Barack Obama (as I usually do). I heard Obama say the other night, during a PBS interview, something like, "Elections are tricky, they're not always predictable. Did the Russian hacking have an effect? It probably did, but how much of an effect? I'm not sure we can know that."

What's more important, and here most of the intelligence agencies and many elected officials seem to agree, is the fact Russia is trying to interfere in U.S. domestic politics. The intelligence people I have heard interviewed all say the same thing. Russia and Putin are trying to destabilize U.S. democracy by sowing distrust in the minds of Americans towards our institutions and our leaders. That's a direct attack on our country.

The other problem is, the incoming president doesn't seem to understand any of this and, worse, doesn't seem to much care. He continues to compliment Russia and Putin. One of the intelligence people said, incredibly Trump praised Russia at the same press conference in which Trump compared his own U.S. intelligence agencies with Nazi Germany.

Putin is a brutal tyrant. The Soviets would have called him a criminal. He and his cronies looted billions of dollars from state industries when they were being privatized. Putin is complicit in false imprisonments and murders of Russian dissidents and just about anyone who opposes him. He has completely demolished the Russian democracy movement.

I read a profile about a very wealthy Russian businessman who opposed Putin on various policy issues and, ultimately, wound up serving a 10-year prison sentence. Does Putin orchestrate false imprisonment and murder? The Russian businessman said words to the effect, "Look, everyone in Russia knows what will happen if you cross this president. This is known to almost everyone in Russia; this is not something that requires debating to find the answer."

Does Trump not get it or does he not care? Is Trump all there? It seems like no one really knows. Buckle up folks!

 

[Andy_Ross]

And the skits have all been fair, but this last one went a bit beyond the pale..

Well it's easy to miss and splash the floor around the pale, a washing up bowl is better.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Russia and Putin are trying to destabilize U.S. democracy by sowing distrust in the minds of Americans towards our institutions and our leaders. That's a direct attack on our country.

If our nation is so weak it is vulnerable to distrust to its institutions, those institutions do not deserve our trust.

 

[logger]

fighting back makes it obvious that he is much more insecure than if he could laugh at himself form time to time.
Comedians are desperately trying to give Trump a chance to show that he is not a sociopath.
Unfortunately, he obviously is.

I doubt any on the left will understand this, its more proof of why you lost, bigly!

But main stream comedians never make fun of democrats. I mean who could offer more material than joe Biden, chuck you shumer, nanny Pelosi, or Debbie was a man Shultz.

Comedians don't make fun of the left. So the right will settle for a guy who yells back. Its obviously working, look how jazzed he has the fine leftists on here.

 

[Belz...]

If our nation is so weak it is vulnerable to distrust to its institutions, those institutions do not deserve our trust.

Humans are easy to manipulate, especially when they're not well-informed. It's not a problem with the nation or its systems, but a matter of general ignorance, and a question of what to do about it and the interference itself.