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Fast Eddie B said:
This post summarizes the elitism shown by many on the left - voting for Trump, by itself, marks you as a lesser person, and one they feel in a perfect world they would not even want to vote, allowing the "better" side to rule.

I do not get the support or even enthusiasm for Trump. But the way it's being caricatured and dismissed is not the way to go. IMHO, of course.
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At the moment, it appears many Trump voters were conned. So that does lend some legitimacy to the charge many Trump voters weren't the most critical of thinkers.

And of course you are going to hear the media repeating accusations about the 'basket of deplorables '. That was intended for the racists, bigots and misogynists who loudly made their views known.

There's a split in the country politically. The left hates the right but the right also hates the left. This is one time when the equivalence isn't false.
 
phiwum said:
Why should he attack Lewis for his work, when the disagreement is over his claim that Trump's presidency is illegitimate?....
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Rick Santorum came out of the woodwork today to claim Lewis did great things in his day, then Santorum all but said, Lewis is a has-been now. What an ass Santorum is.
 
newyorkguy said:
Congressman John Lewis said in an interview that he would have difficulty working with president Trump because he views his presidency as "illegitimate." He bases that opinion on the fact a foreign government tried to assist Trump's campaign in an underhanded way. Is saying that treasonous? U.S. intelligence agencies have stated that the evidence they have found supports the idea that Russia did try and assist the Trump campaign. Is that treasonous too?
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It is if it turns out the Trump camp was in on it.

newyorkguy said:
When Donald Trump accused Obama of being an illegitimate president because he, Obama, was born outside the U.S., was that treasonous? Trump was basing that accusation on a lot less credible evidence than Lewis is. Then, even when Obama produced a birth certificate, Trump refused to retract his accusations. In fact Trump did not publicly acknowledge that Obama was a legitimate U.S. citizen until September 2016.
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Not less credible, completely not credible.

newyorkguy said:
Is John Lewis indulging in a bit of payback? I would say so and to see Trump react so angrily must be very sweet. Looks like a case of, "People in glass houses..."
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Doubtful.

newyorkguy said:
Personally, I think the idea that Trump's presidency is tainted by the Russian issue is pretty much an established fact. I'm sorry to say that but I think that is undeniably true. But I also think at some point we -- meaning the American public -- need to move on. We're stuck with Trump and nothing is going to change that.
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Again, it depends on how involved the Trump camp was. The fact there were multiple calls to the Russian Ambassador does not instill confidence they were not.

As for moving on, that's again a matter of where one stands on installing an illegitimate POTUS vs taking one for 'team peaceful-transition'.
 
The main issue Donald Trump ran on was to be not Hillary Clinton. So far, I think, he is doing a bang-up job.
 
logger said:
You're clueless about politics. Who gives s damn about reaching out to the fools who voted against him. They have zero power, and they will never vote for Trump. They need to be defeated not courted or compromised with.
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Stick the jack boot in why don't ya.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I agree. She would have been competent and smart and proposed reasonable answers to the problems people faced.
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Really? As a libertarian, I would have thought you would find Trump far preferable. Perhaps you need to think on it more.

What reasonable answers to problems do you think Hillary has or would have proposed? Two or three examples would be nice.


Trump loves Goldman Sachs.
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So? They're not evil. They may be vampire squids, but vampire squids can be quite useful. And charming. And squishy.
 
sunmaster14 said:
The main issue Donald Trump ran on was to be not Hillary Clinton. So far, I think, he is doing a bang-up job.
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One of the primary accusations hurled at Clinton was that she is highly unethical. Since Dump is supposedly the Not-Clinton (and doing a bang up job of it), does that make him highly ethical? Because that isn't the first thing I think of when I hear his name.
 
sunmaster14 said:
So? They're not evil. They may be vampire squids, but vampire squids can be quite useful. And charming. And squishy.
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Trump repeatedly attacked Clinton for having given a speech at Sachs and claimed she was in their pocket.

Of course, Bannon was a Goldman partner...
 
trustbutverify said:
One of the primary accusations hurled at Clinton was that she is highly unethical. Since Dump is supposedly the Not-Clinton (and doing a bang up job of it), does that make him highly ethical? Because that isn't the first thing I think of when I hear his name.
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The only thing Trump accused Clinton of where he isn't much worse is her being a woman and he being a man. I suppose if you put that much stock in the US president being a man, Trump indeed is doing a bang up job. There's no evidence he hasn't got a penis, however small.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Really? As a libertarian, I would have thought you would find Trump far preferable. Perhaps you need to think on it more.

What reasonable answers to problems do you think Hillary has or would have proposed? Two or three examples would be nice.




So? They're not evil. They may be vampire squids, but vampire squids can be quite useful. And charming. And squishy.
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When assessing a policy, i am willing to accept the other party's axioms used.so when I hear her college plan, I can say "I see what logic you are using, what you value, what evidence you are basing it on, what your objectives are, and that your plan is consistent with that." When it comes to Trump proposals, like implementing stop and frisk, it doesn't even hold up to the most basic examination. It fails under its own logic.

I don't want to achieve libertarian ends by people governing with a non libertarian mindset. "And only I can fix it" is anathema to libertarians.
 
BobTheCoward said:
When assessing a policy, i am willing to accept the other party's axioms used.so when I hear her college plan, I can say "I see what logic you are using, what you value, what evidence you are basing it on, what your objectives are, and that your plan is consistent with that." When it comes to Trump proposals, like implementing stop and frisk, it doesn't even hold up to the most basic examination. It fails under its own logic.

I don't want to achieve libertarian ends by people governing with a non libertarian mindset. "And only I can fix it" is anathema to libertarians.
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Trump is an empty vessel, ideologically speaking. But he is surrounding himself with people who will implement libertarian ideas. The ways in which he is not libertarian, e.g. on issues of civil liberties or free trade, he will make negative progress (where "progress" is a bad thing), and a Democrat would make positive progress because of the benefit of the doubt afforded by the mostly progressive mainstream media. The ways in which he is libertarian, e.g. on taxes and regulation, he will make enormous progress (where "progress" is a good thing).

If you can't see this, then I wonder if you haven't gamed things out as I have. Trump is weak-minded, and he will end up going with the smartest people who have his ear. So far, those are the libertarians.
 
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