President Trump

[ChrisBFRPKY]

You actually have to pay attention here if you want to keep up.

If there are connections within his team to Putin ...
He thinks his lawyers can get him out of any corruption charge. They can't and he's ignoring one big law on the matter, the Emoluments Clause

Trump Just Laid The Groundwork For Corruption By Declaring Himself Above The Law
Trump: ‘The president can't have a conflict of interest’

Trump is planning to give profits to the US treasury from his hotels if "any King, Prince, or foreign State [rep]" stays there. He won't be able to, it's too complicated, but not to complicated to be found guilty.

You need to keep in mind, the GOP is not head over hills about this guy. They prefer Pence.

So you are selling that even though the President is exempt from conflicts of interest within the Constitution, Trump is not? How's that work again?

P.S. I am keeping up, I'm just not seeing your sales pitch as a valid one. Particularly the part where somehow you think Trump is not exempt from conflicts of interest when President. I fully realize you are set against Trump, but this choice of attack is getting a bit silly.


Chris B.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So you are selling that even though the President is exempt from conflicts of interest within the Constitution, Trump is not? How's that work again?

P.S. I am keeping up, I'm just not seeing your sales pitch as a valid one. Particularly the part where somehow you think Trump is not exempt from conflicts of interest when President. I fully realize you are set against Trump, but this choice of attack is getting a bit silly.


Chris B.

If you can't be bothered to read about the Emoluments Clause when I spoon fed it to you, you are being willfully blind, as is Trump. Maybe you should turn on the news and get some passive learning there as to why Trump is cherry picking laws when he says POTUSs are exempt from conflict of interest laws.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

If you can't be bothered to read about the Emoluments Clause when I spoon fed it to you, you are being willfully blind, as is Trump. Maybe you should turn on the news and get some passive learning there as to why Trump is cherry picking laws when he says POTUSs are exempt from conflict of interest laws.

Oh those were very nice political pieces. Yet somehow I still don't get how Trump has an issue.

His businesses are all being placed in a trust and he will not have anything to do with them while in office......So there goes your accepting payments from foreign governments thing.

He also said that all pending contracts with foreign governments had been cancelled. Even before placing his businesses into a trust. A trust with an ethics guy in charge to approve or disapprove of any business decisions his sons may make while they head the company in his absence.

I suppose these facts aren't good enough for some. What's he supposed to do? Sell his companies beforehand in order to be President?

Looks like Rockefeller didn't have any problems and was willing to cooperate with Congress just as Trump is. He wasn't booted out of office for any conflict of interest. The Left is grasping for anything to hold onto that will prevent the masses on their side from leaping out the window.

It's highly entertaining to the Right.
1. Let's recount the votes in the states that could put Hillary over the top.
2. Let's try to get the Electoral college to NOT vote for Trump.
2a. The Russians did it.
3. Let's try to get Congress to throw out the Electoral vote count because the Russians read John Podesta's emails. (further of "The Russians did it")
4. I almost forgot, let's demonstrate and break things to show how mad we are.
5. Let's release a bogus report that says the Russians have compromising info on Trump.
6.. Let's try to say Trump can't be President because he will have a conflict of interest.

Please continue.
Chris B.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Oh those were very nice political pieces. Yet somehow I still don't get how Trump has an issue.

His businesses are all being placed in a trust and he will not have anything to do with them while in office......So there goes your accepting payments from foreign governments thing.

Please continue.
Chris B.

He isn't putting them in a trust, he is given them to his sons. What he is trying to do is nothing like the usual 'Blind Trust' that elected candidates have set up for their funds and business in the past.
What he will do as President will directly affect the wealth of his closest family - clear conflict of interest.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...s-serious-conflicts-of-interest/#37fca1da7249

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

@Chris B: You really aren't keeping up. No one is talking about Clinton winning after all. That is sooo last week.

This is about the people in the GOP who would love to get rid of Trump and let Pence move into POTUS position.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He isn't putting them in a trust, he is given them to his sons. What he is trying to do is nothing like the usual 'Blind Trust' that elected candidates have set up for their funds and business in the past.
What he will do as President will directly affect the wealth of his closest family - clear conflict of interest.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...s-serious-conflicts-of-interest/#37fca1da7249

And don't forget, the son in law and Ivanka are getting inside jobs, which means there is even less separation of assets.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

And don't forget, the son in law and Ivanka are getting inside jobs, which means there is even less separation of assets.

that's an issue of pretty clear-cut nepotism.
In the past, jobs for First Ladies have been ignored, but since Trump has decided to dump his wife in favor of his daughter for the job (creepy if you ask me), we are facing a serious issue. Nepotism rules were put in place to prevent a JFK+brother combo at the top. Trump repeating what by law should no longer be allowed.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

He isn't putting them in a trust, he is given them to his sons. What he is trying to do is nothing like the usual 'Blind Trust' that elected candidates have set up for their funds and business in the past.
What he will do as President will directly affect the wealth of his closest family - clear conflict of interest.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...s-serious-conflicts-of-interest/#37fca1da7249

Nice article, I did enjoy this part:

"Jan Baran, who served on George H. W. Bush’s ethics commission, said Trump’s critics are just engaging in petty politics. “It’s clear that President-elect Trump is going to face criticism from his political opponents for the next four and maybe eight years,” Baran said. “His burden was not to satisfy the ethics nannies who are confusing their opinions with what is legally required.” "

And once again , so what. The President is exempt from any ethics conflict by law. Whatever he does to restructure his companies is voluntary and not required for his position in Government. Yet he is restructuring and placing his companies in trust, his decisions are removed from the businesses.

And, since we're on the subject, in 2009, Obama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize by the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Did he accept it? Was that a violation of ethics and a conflict of interest? How much money did he receive from the Norwegian Nobel Committee..............


Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

@Chris B: You really aren't keeping up. No one is talking about Clinton winning after all. That is sooo last week.

This is about the people in the GOP who would love to get rid of Trump and let Pence move into POTUS position.

I'm enjoying this. Please continue.
Chris B.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Don't expect any stimulation to switch to renewable energy sources. Trump can delay that for years, all the while he's getting kickbacks, (probably laundered though his many businesses), from the grateful Exxon and Putin.

Think that's far fetched?

It's getting hard to tell if BuzzFeed is stealing your material, or you're stealing theirs.

 

[quadraginta]

Right, like the letter disclosing more emails were found was a completed case.

Lying hypocrite.

You mean the letter carefully stating that it was too early to draw any conclusions because they hadn't had a chance to look at the emails themselves yet?

That letter?

How could anyone think that meant anything except that the investigation was completed?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Nice article, I did enjoy this part:

"Jan Baran, who served on George H. W. Bush’s ethics commission, said Trump’s critics are just engaging in petty politics. “It’s clear that President-elect Trump is going to face criticism from his political opponents for the next four and maybe eight years,” Baran said. “His burden was not to satisfy the ethics nannies who are confusing their opinions with what is legally required.” "

And once again , so what. The President is exempt from any ethics conflict by law. Whatever he does to restructure his companies is voluntary and not required for his position in Government. Yet he is restructuring and placing his companies in trust, his decisions are removed from the businesses.

And, since we're on the subject, in 2009, Obama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize by the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Did he accept it? Was that a violation of ethics and a conflict of interest? How much money did he receive from the Norwegian Nobel Committee..............


Chris B.

ah, Confirmation Bias at its best!
You found someone who agrees with you, and therefore you can ignore the main argument.

How in the world can you twist your mind to compare Trump benefiting his business with Obama getting a Nobel Peace Prize? There is no similarity whatsoever!



Note: No question it was incredibly stupid of the Committee to award it to him.

 

[uke2se]

Note: No question it was incredibly stupid of the Committee to award it to him.

It was an expression of hope after Bush. The next president after Trump is liable to get a Nobel prize in economics.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

ah, Confirmation Bias at its best!
You found someone who agrees with you, and therefore you can ignore the main argument.

How in the world can you twist your mind to compare Trump benefiting his business with Obama getting a Nobel Peace Prize? There is no similarity whatsoever!



Note: No question it was incredibly stupid of the Committee to award it to him.

Gee, I remember there being a Constitutional ban on accepting payments from foreign governments...........

So as a coincidence, Obama should be prosecuted if you hold him to the same standards as are being applied to Trump.......or are things different now?



Chris B.

 

[The Don]

Gee, I remember there being a Constitutional ban on accepting payments from foreign governments...........

So as a coincidence, Obama should be prosecuted if you hold him to the same standards as are being applied to Trump.......or are things different now?



Chris B.

Any evidence for the claims above. By this I mean actual evidence and not just unsubstantiated rumours and innuendo.....

 

[TubbaBlubba]

You actually have to pay attention here if you want to keep up.

If there are connections within his team to Putin ...
He thinks his lawyers can get him out of any corruption charge. They can't and he's ignoring one big law on the matter, the Emoluments Clause

Trump Just Laid The Groundwork For Corruption By Declaring Himself Above The Law
Trump: ‘The president can't have a conflict of interest’

Trump is planning to give profits to the US treasury from his hotels if "any King, Prince, or foreign State [rep]" stays there. He won't be able to, it's too complicated, but not to complicated to be found guilty.

You need to keep in mind, the GOP is not head over hills about this guy. They prefer Pence.

Ah, the good old Nixon Theory of Executive Power!

The President wants me to argue that he is as powerful a monarch as Louis XIV, only four years at a time, and is not subject to the processes of any court in the land except the court of impeachment.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

You mean the letter carefully stating that it was too early to draw any conclusions because they hadn't had a chance to look at the emails themselves yet?

That letter?

How could anyone think that meant anything except that the investigation was completed?

The letter that was sent saying maybe something related to Clinton might turn up from this marginally related case that it was so urgent to inform Congress about while not mentioning a single thing about looking into Trump possibly being compromised by powerful foreign interests and was sent via official communication that is a matter of public record and will get flagged by media organizations instantly right before a national election.

Yeah, that letter.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Any evidence for the claims above. By this I mean actual evidence and not just unsubstantiated rumours and innuendo.....

Sure, Obama's Peace Prize is common knowledge and the other part about the ban on accepting foreign money is found in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 of the US Constitution:

"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

Chris B.

 

[Tolls]

The Nobel Committee is not a "King, Prince, or foreign State".

It's a bit desperate of you to even attempt to equate the two situations.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

The Nobel Committee is not a "King, Prince, or foreign State".

It's a bit desperate of you to even attempt to equate the two situations.

Norway is not a foreign state?.......That's a bit of a stretch don't you think?
Chris B.