US Officially Blames Russia

The detestable Jonah Goldberg cautioned for a wait-and-see approach on National Review's blog before concluding: "Even if this whole thing is a complete fabrication, there’s still the vexing question: Why is admiration for Putin and his government the only issue Trump has never wavered, equivocated, or flip-flopped on? If these allegations are false, that question still remains."

Because Putin's a boss. And besides, Trump's not an idea guy; he couldn't give a **** about ideas. He's interested in people -- mostly what they're thinking or saying about Donald Trump.
 
Childlike Empress said:
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Problem: the documents in question are not an 'official classified intelligence report', they come from outside the chain-of-custody described in the portion you quoted. These are purportedly the original (or copies of the original to be precise) reports sent to clients who paid him for his research.

There's a lot of layers to peel on this onion. Even if the allegations themselves are not true, if there are intelligence operatives all over Europe passing such information around, what does that say in and of itself, etc.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
There's a lot of layers to peel on this onion. Even if the allegations themselves are not true, if there are intelligence operatives all over Europe passing such information around, what does that say in and of itself, etc.
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Lots of agents send a lot of junk around to justify their pay?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Problem: the documents in question are not an 'official classified intelligence report', they come from outside the chain-of-custody described in the portion you quoted. These are purportedly the original (or copies of the original to be precise) reports sent to clients who paid him for his research.

There's a lot of layers to peel on this onion. Even if the allegations themselves are not true, if there are intelligence operatives all over Europe passing such information around, what does that say in and of itself, etc.
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As it looks now there are "intelligence operatives" all over 4chan. I would post an image of an anime frog but apparently he has developed into a Nazi.

This is so funny.
 
Michael Cohen stated he has never been to Prague. If that is proven untrue, I will gladly consider there veracity of these. Until then I'm going to operate assuming they are false.
 
More from the document:

Wikileaks disclosures are only the tip of the iceberg.

Trump team happy to have Russia be the boogyman because Trump stuff with China (bribes and kickbacks) is worse.

Manafort payment was a kickback. When it was discovered, Manafort had to go, too much liability exposing Russian involvement.

Carter Page, oil industry guy is Trumps' man in Moscow.

Trump has been giving Putin (through channels) info on the Russian oligarchs Putin has issues with.

Kremlin has been in contact with Flynn.

Jill Stein was a player?

Trump's lawyer met with Kremlin players in Prague in August.

Russia has an interest in changing or eliminating the TPP

Veterans' pension ruse used to launder payments to Russian operatives.

Putin worried a liberal US government would care more about Ukraine. Sanctions another issue.

Trump/Page have been offered a 19% share of Rosnet if sanctions lifted.

Cohen, Trump's lawyer, is deeply involved. So was Manafort. Does anyone doubt Tillerson's involvement?

Anti-Clinton hackers paid by both Trump team and the Kremlin.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Michael Cohen stated he has never been to Prague. If that is proven untrue, I will gladly consider there veracity of these. Until then I'm going to operate assuming they are false.
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I'd assume they're all false, too, but they seem to be quite a collection of stuff from all over, and remember what they used to say about Bill Clinton: If only 10% of this stuff is true...

But it would be karma if a pack of lies destroyed Donald Trump's political career.
 
What a hypocrite Comey is.

FBI chief given dossier by John McCain alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts
Some of the reports – which are dated from 20 June to 20 October last year – also proved to be prescient, predicting events that happened after they were sent.

One report, dated June 2016, claims that the Kremlin has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump for at least five years, with the aim of encouraging “splits and divisions in western alliance”....

The former Democratic Senate leader, Harry Reid, has lambasted Comey for publicising investigations into Hillary Clinton’s private server, while allegedly sitting on “explosive” material on Trump’s ties to Russia.

Another Democratic senator, Ron Wyden, questioned Comey insistently at a Senate intelligence committee hearing on Tuesday on whether the FBI was pursuing leads on Trump campaign contacts with Russia.

“Has the FBI investigated these reported relationships?” Wyden asked.

Comey replied: “I would never comment on investigations … in a public forum....
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Riiight, unless it's to diss Clinton.

This answers a question I asked earlier, when did Comey know:
The Guardian can confirm that the documents reached the top of the FBI by December. The Guardian can confirm that the documents reached the top of the FBI by December. Senator John McCain, who was informed about the existence of the documents separately by an intermediary from a western allied state, dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source and then decided to present the material to Comey in a one-on-one meeting on 9 December, according to a source aware of the meeting. The documents, which were first reported on last year by Mother Jones, are also in the hands of officials in the White House.
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And here's another bombshell:
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.
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But it would be karma if a pack of lies destroyed Donald Trump's political career.
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Looks like his Hubris is about to get Trump. Thinks he's too smart to get caught, all he needs to do is keep denying it. But if you read the 35 page (minus 14 redacted pages) intelligence report, it's clear this is not a speculative document. And it's clear there are multiple ties directly to the Trump camp.

Part of me wonders if this wasn't Paul Ryan's plan all along, get Trump elected and you impeach him and get Pence, someone who would not have won against Clinton.

Just watch, you'll start to see evidence (faux or not) that Pence knew nothing about all these goings on.
 
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As damning as some of the allegations are, let's remember that only 2 pages worth end up as part of a classified brief that claim to be from good sources and possibly independently corroborated.

This blade cuts both ways since it means some of it may be inaccurate, but also any inaccuracies identified don't necessarily condemn the whole bundle.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Anyone with more familiarity on EU travel than me, he could enter any Schengen-area port on a Visa and get to Prague and back on a round trip ticket with no issue, right?
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Yes, no internal border checks.

Another reason for skepticism is that the document seems to be written by someone with affiliation with Clinton-style political rhetoric. Such as juxtaposing Putin's purported "19th century Great Power" politics with "liberal" and "ideals-based" international politics (yeah right, liberal and ideals-based...).
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
As damning as some of the allegations are, let's remember that only 2 pages worth end up as part of a classified brief that claim to be from good sources and possibly independently corroborated.

This blade cuts both ways since it means some of it may be inaccurate, but also any inaccuracies identified don't necessarily condemn the whole bundle.
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caveman1917 said:
Yes, no internal border checks.

Another reason for skepticism is that the document seems to be written by someone with affiliation with Clinton-style political rhetoric. Such as juxtaposing Putin's purported "19th century Great Power" politics with "liberal" and "ideals-based" international politics (yeah right, liberal and ideals-based...).
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What a bunch of denial malarky. Did you even read the actual intelligence report?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What a bunch of denial malarky. Did you even read the actual intelligence report?
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Delphic Oracle is the one who posted the report here, so yes, I'm pretty sure they read it. As have I, as you can tell by me arguing several statements in it which betray political affiliation with Clinton-style rhetoric.
 
Well, to be very nit-picky I have not read the intelligence report. I have read some opposition research documents that a 2-page addendum to an intelligence report references some parts of.
 
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Delphic Oracle is the one who posted the report here, so yes, I'm pretty sure they read it. As have I, as you can tell by me arguing several statements in it which betray political affiliation with Clinton-style rhetoric.
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Now you think you can read clues from Clinton in the report?

I repeat, what a bunch of denial malarky.
 
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