US Officially Blames Russia

I'm trying to piece together the events. This is what I have so far.

These documents were put together by a former MI6 guy that now does opposition research. He did it since some point since 2015. I am guessing that these actually represent all the evidence he compiled?

Everyone and their mother had these...News...Campaigns...FBI...Etc.

Recently, the FBI verified the ex agent's credibility. Not that he is right, but that he is not a crackpot.

Media had these docs, and locked down enough that these are the documents by the non crackpot (but the docs themselves could be crackpot).

I think the starting question is what is normal for opposition research? Does this exceed the bounds, or did some memo back in 2000 allege Gore liked cuckolding and coordinated with Bulgarian agents?
 


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Seriously, people.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I'm trying to piece together the events. This is what I have so far.

These documents were put together by a former MI6 guy that now does opposition research. He did it since some point since 2015. I am guessing that these actually represent all the evidence he compiled?

Everyone and their mother had these...News...Campaigns...FBI...Etc.

Recently, the FBI verified the ex agent's credibility. Not that he is right, but that he is not a crackpot.

Media had these docs, and locked down enough that these are the documents by the non crackpot (but the docs themselves could be crackpot).

I think the starting question is what is normal for opposition research? Does this exceed the bounds, or did some memo back in 2000 allege Gore liked cuckolding and coordinated with Bulgarian agents?
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Well, no, not everyone had them. The FBI got them because the 'former' MI6 agent gave them to an FBI asset friend in Rome. Then a British intelligence official independently gave the same information to McCain, who also took it to US intelligence.

US Intelligence has not released anything that we know of confirming the details of the allegations.

However, they have (reportedly) verified not only the former MI6 guy and his credibility, but also that of his sources. This was with independent confirmation. So the sources are people who exist and did provide information, but the accuracy of the information isn't completely confirmed. Of course that is how most intelligence works, and you have to cross reference to see what is most likely true because several independent sources of information agree.

And no, the copies are not supposed to be all the information, but just summaries.
 
Cohen insists he has never been to Prague, including the cover of his passport on a Twitter post.

His being in Prague was allegedly in August, referenced as aftermath to the Manafort resignation, so that would be late August.

Well, that should be fairly easy to work considering the high profile he carries.

Anyone with more familiarity on EU travel than me, he could enter any Schengen-area port on a Visa and get to Prague and back on a round trip ticket with no issue, right?
 
I wonder who leaked?
Do you think the allegations hold water? or is it just yellow journalism?
Anyway, we know where he gets his colour from.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Anybody stomached to watch that c-span recording of the sic hearing (I didn't)? This looks like fog to cover something up.
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I don't have the patience for committees and hearings and Blunt's face makes my blood boil. That a committee is convened for a certain purpose out of the ordinary schedule is often the most noteworthy thing about it. I usually rely on a wide array of viewpoints to pick out the moments or quotes that might be 'telling', assuming any exist at all.

As I said earlier, most of them are just a chance for the elected officials to be seen on camera fighting for Americans against the appointed officials across from them.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Another reason that Trump is so hilariously unprepared for this job. The major implication here (besides the Russia thing itself) is that the intel chiefs and some powerful members of Congress now have this info, as well.

So what do you say, Mr. Trump? Would you like to play ball with us or would you like us to have some very public hearings about all of this so that Americans can watch us go through all of the opposition research with painstaking detail? Live. On C-Span. For the next 3 months.
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Interesting.
 
tyr_13 said:
And no, the copies are not supposed to be all the information, but just summaries.
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John podesta and Jeb Bush would have the details, right? If they paid this guy to conduct opposition research, he would have turned it over?

Earlier I asked what we actually know about opposition research. Is it normally this fancy?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I don't have the patience for committees and hearings and Blunt's face makes my blood boil. That a committee is convened for a certain purpose out of the ordinary schedule is often the most noteworthy thing about it. I usually rely on a wide array of viewpoints to pick out the moments or quotes that might be 'telling', assuming any exist at all.

As I said earlier, most of them are just a chance for the elected officials to be seen on camera fighting for Americans against the appointed officials across from them.
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In these times one should always go as close to the source as possible, given that most filters aren't trustworthy, and given that we are able to get closer to the sources than ever before.

That said, we could have a royal LOL in the making, bigger than expected, with this nonsense report.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I wonder who leaked?
Do you think the allegations hold water? or is it just yellow journalism?
Anyway, we know where he gets his colour from.
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Well, oppo research potentially seen by primary candidates and senior campaign staffs, the intelligence community, probably into the hands of several media organizations during the campaign(s), widely available in the media sphere for weeks, now.

So it's probably several leaks leading to even more leaks. This is an example of the very phenomenon that conspiracy theories never seem to take into account, there's always leaks. This is why opposition research has a 'shelf life', from the moment you uncover something there's a clock running on how long until someone expands the circle of the informed.

As to credibility/veracity. Who knows. We still have the problem of anonymous experts of other (still unknown) claims. We only know they consider sources to be credible and that some independent corroborations exist. I haven't seen the same kind of 'high degree of confidence' claims, but on the other hand, they are apparently including 2-page summaries of this information in classified briefings, so...?

What we do have is details of rough dates and times that activities occurred or persons were purported to be in certain places. That can be combed through for hints at whether the claims have even basic facts right, if not their explanations/interpretations.
 
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I'm seeing on Twitter Republicans still have no idea what fake news is. These documents are being passed around d government right now. These are the documents in question. That is real news.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That said, we could have a royal LOL in the making, bigger than expected, with this nonsense report.
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4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax

zerohedge said:
In a story that is getting more surreal by the minute, a post on 4Chan now claims that the infamous "golden showers" scene in the unverified 35-page dossier, allegedly compiled by a British intelligence officer, was a hoax and fabricated by a member of the chatboard as "fanfiction", then sent to Rick Wilson, who proceeded to send it to the CIA, which then put it in their official classified intelligence report on the election.

Here is 4Chan's explanation of how the story came to light: [...]
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Has the actual document been posted yet? Courtesy of Buzzfeed.

Dang, I wonder what Trump said in the briefing when he was told the Russians had video of Trump watching whores peeing on each other?

The claim Trump had moles inside the DNC and shared that info with Russia is rather startling.
 
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