Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[sts60]

Well, horatius and halleyscomet both said it already.

 

[sts60]

Since the ground state is simply defined, there's no reason in theory it could not be lower.

Yes, there is. It's not compatible with quantum mechanics as vetted for over a century. It's not supported by reliable experimental evidence. Its proposed mechanism is handwaving, and you can't provide a coherent account of how it's supposed to work.

You tried to back up this assertion with appeals (since Rule 11'd) to "redefining" the speed of light and "wildly varying" (or similar words) the gravitational constant, but in those cases as well you demonstrated you didn't know what you were talking about. Yet you keep lecturing other people about their supposed "belief", even though you have swallowed this scam hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Horatius]

It's all about scapegoating. When the product fails to make it to market in a functional state you need a disposable and replaceable scapegoat to throw under the bus so you can keep revising the overall con.

It's like fad diets. As long as you can convince your marks the flaw is with their willpower and not with the diet you can get repeat suckers who come back again and again.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I have no doubt that the purveyors of fad diets and free energy devices know they're a scam, but I hold out hope that their marks are at least honest, albeit deceived.

But coming up with such a BS rationalization to justify an obvious failure of the system BLP is claiming to have? That goes beyond being deceived, into outright delusion. Even with the most ********iest of fad diets, there are at least some people who lose weight, giving the people who didn't succeed an at least plausible explanation for their failure. But this? It's just totally insane.

 

[phunk]

There's so much power being produced by the reaction that even if they just got a 5% conversion rate, that still means they are producing 50 kw.

And creating nearly a megawatt of waste heat. Why even bother with solar cells? We know how to collect energy from a heat source like that with much greater efficiency than solar.

 

[michaelsuede]

Yes, there is. It's not compatible with quantum mechanics as vetted for over a century.

That's obviously not a valid reason, given that since Mills has demonstrated hydrogen can indeed to go a lower ground state, ipso facto, QM is wrong.

He's already demonstrated this. The only problem is that you will not believe it until you have a generator parked in your driveway powering your home. Even then, you probably still won't believe it.

 

[Horatius]

He's already demonstrated this. The only problem is that you will not believe it until you have a generator parked in your driveway powering your home. Even then, you probably still won't believe it.

So, if, 18 months from now you don't have "a generator parked in your driveway powering your home" (or at least the industrial equivalent thereof), will you be willing to admit that Mills has not actually "already demonstrated this"?

 

[michaelsuede]

And creating nearly a megawatt of waste heat. Why even bother with solar cells? We know how to collect energy from a heat source like that with much greater efficiency than solar.

smh

Let's do some theory crafting here.

Mills has estimated that when they are ramped up to mega production levels, the cost of the PV will fall so much that he estimates the total cost to produce one generator will be about $600 bucks.

So let's say 150 kw for $600 bucks.

$600 for a 150 kw generator with no moving parts, that will run 20 years continuously virtually maintenance free, is portable enough to fit in a small vehicle, does away with the power grid, and completely by-passes all of the power plant regulations that would come from a fixed grid tied conventional power plant.

Let's contrast that with a steam powered fixed power plant. According to Synapse, the cost to build a steam power plant is $3,500 per kW. A typical coal plant produces 500 megawatts. So that's $1,750,000,000 in capital to build a new coal driven steam power plant.

The capital costs aren't going to change much no matter if you use coal to power the plant or BrLP's reactor. Sure you save in fuel costs, but the plant itself is still ridiculously expensive. Then you have to deal with all the regulations, taxes, grid maintenance, its not portable, the turbines break down, there's a million moving parts that can break down, sub-stations need to be built, transformers need to be mounted, etc.. etc.. etc..

Even if Mills is dumping an entire megawatt of power for each generator he produces, the capital costs of production are so low that it still beats steam power by a factor of 875.

 

[michaelsuede]

So, if, 18 months from now you don't have "a generator parked in your driveway powering your home" (or at least the industrial equivalent thereof), will you be willing to admit that Mills has not actually "already demonstrated this"?

Sure.

 

[Horatius]

Even if Mills is dumping an entire megawatt of power for each generator he produces, the capital costs of production are so low that it still beats steam power by a factor of 5.

...and global warming gets a kick in the pants.

 

[Horatius]

Sure.

Noted.

 

[michaelsuede]

...and global warming gets a kick in the pants.

Actually I wrote that wrong. It's 875, not 5, if you look at the costs on a per kilowatt basis. - and that's just the capital costs for the original equipment.

I can't even imagine what the actual cost savings is, given that there's no fuel and virtually no maintenance costs associated with the BrLP generator. I mean we have to be talking thousands of times cheaper when its all tallied up.

 

[Horatius]

Actually I wrote that wrong. It's 875, not 5, if you look at the costs on a per kilowatt basis. - and that's just the capital costs for the original equipment.

I can't even imagine what the actual cost savings is, given that there's no fuel and virtually no maintenance costs associated with the BrLP generator. I mean we have to be talking thousands of times cheaper when its all tallied up.

Economic cost aren't the only costs that should be considered. As you say, if they waste "an entire megawatt of power for each generator", that's a huge impact on the environment. As you note, these aren't large-scale plants like current 500 MW nuclear plants, these are small systems incorporated into local businesses, and eventually homes. Picture what it would be like if even a small town of 500 homes wasted the equivalent of a nuclear power station in waste heat.

 

[jaydeehess]

You say that tuned PV cells would theoretically produce a great deal more power (order of magnitude iirc).
No need to wait though. Good to know.
So this model WILL NOT suffer the cancellation fate of the previous model which, according to you, was that a newer model produced more power?

(that is a question)

The new model produces orders of magnitude more power using order of magnitudes less space, and it is portable. No need for a power grid.

That doesn't answer my question.

I asked for assurance that this model will not suffer the same fate as the last, that promised increased power o/p of yet a newer model will not see this present model production cancelled.

 

[michaelsuede]

Economic cost aren't the only costs that should be considered. As you say, if they waste "an entire megawatt of power for each generator", that's a huge impact on the environment. As you note, these aren't large-scale plants like current 500 MW nuclear plants, these are small systems incorporated into local businesses, and eventually homes. Picture what it would be like if even a small town of 500 homes wasted the equivalent of a nuclear power station in waste heat.

Oh please, let's blame the sun for dumping 1367 watts per square meter while we are at it.

The sun is causing global warming!

Multi-family apartments will not need a unit per household, and I doubt they will be dumping a whole megawatt per unit. Air is a pretty effective insulator. There's no environmental impact of note. Nothing for the green army to tax into oblivion.

Mills is estimating the current bulb will run at a controlled 330 kw, with 11 to 20% of that being directly converted into energy depending on the number of junctions used. This does not include reflected light, which can up the efficiency dramatically. Future cell technology will allow for even higher efficiency, which will further reduce the total heat dumped.

 

[michaelsuede]

That doesn't answer my question.

I asked for assurance that this model will not suffer the same fate as the last, that promised increased power o/p of yet a newer model will not see this present model production cancelled.

Oh well, you have my assurances then.

 

[RussDill]

Let's contrast that with a steam powered fixed power plant. According to Synapse, the cost to build a steam power plant is $3,500 per kW. A typical coal plant produces 500 megawatts. So that's $1,750,000,000 in capital to build a new coal driven steam power plant.

We wouldn't need to build a new plant. Many steam turbine plants have switched fuel sources over the years. It's pretty straightforward. Heck, you could even drop this generator into a nuclear plant and use the nuclear plant's generator. Easiest swap out would probably be a natural gas generator though.

 

[RussDill]

Ok.

Don't believe me.

We'll find out who is right, just like we found out who was right about Bitcoin.

Can we arrange a bet of 1 BTC? I'd be happy to escrow with an independent/trusted forum member. I'd go along with the same terms as Horatius.

 

[michaelsuede]

We wouldn't need to build a new plant. Many steam turbine plants have switched fuel sources over the years. It's pretty straightforward. Heck, you could even drop this generator into a nuclear plant and use the nuclear plant's generator. Easiest swap out would probably be a natural gas generator though.

Well I'm glad you're an expert on swapping out megawatt power plant fuel sources. You should hire yourself out to BrLP and offer your services.

 

[michaelsuede]

Can we arrange a bet of 1 BTC? I'd be happy to escrow with an independent/trusted forum member. I'd go along with the same terms as Horatius.

I'm not betting with any of my bitcoins. Their value could go up exponentially during that time as Venezuela continues to implode. That's my retirement fund you're talking about.

 

[RussDill]

Well I'm glad you're an expert on swapping out megawatt power plant fuel sources. You should hire yourself out to BrLP and offer your services.

No need, there is already an entire industry dedicated to such conversions as well as a large corpus of academic material.