Your post is utter nonsense!!!
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Your post is utter nonsense!!!
You don't know the meaning of WITNESS!!!
1 Corinthians 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
A false witness is a liar.
In court of law a false witness commits perjury.
Since the dead rise not--the writer of 1 Corinthians 15 is a liar [a false witness].
No person named Paul was ever a witness that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus and Paul were 2nd century or later fiction characters in stories about Gods, Ghosts, Satan and the first born of the dead.
That is complete unmitigated balderdash. Monstrous forged fiction Paul is stated by the forgers who wrote in his name in the second century or later to have believed that God raised monstrous fiction Jesus from the dead, because Paul had a vision of fiction Jesus in the sky. Therefore he was not committing perjury, but was merely the victim of delusions and hallucinations.
Your story is modern fiction or unsubstantiated nonsense.
The writer under the name of Paul claimed he and over 500 persons saw the resurrected Jesus.
The writer under the name of Paul even admitted that he would be a FALSE WITNESS if the dead did not rise.
The dead does not rise.
God is a fiction character
The writer under the name of Paul is confirmed to be a LIAR.
1 Corinthians 15:15 ---Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
No person named Paul who was a witness that God raised Jesus from the dead ever existed.
God, Jesus and Paul are all fiction characters.
That means that his religious declarations would be shown to be false. But he obviously thought they were true.
May I observe that you're becoming repetitive on this point, and not developing your thoughts very effectively.
dejudge said:
Lies are false declarations.
The writer under the name of Paul lied when he FALSELY DECLARED that he and and over 500 persons saw the resurrected Jesus and that he was a WITNESS that God [a fiction character] raised Jesus from the dead.
Again, God is fiction and the dead does not rise.
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What you say does not make much sense. You are simply attempting to hide the fact that up to now you have still zero historical evidence to support your recent unsubstantiated inventions.
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But mistaken declarations are not necessarily lies.
dejudge said:
You mean your Paul made lots mistakes with the truth!!!!!!
One of the big mistakes in the letters under the name of Paul is the monstrous lie that he was a witness that God raised Jesus.
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Jesus and Paul were always fiction characters--they never ever existed.
When one examines writings of antiquity it is easily seen that the character called Jesus of Nazareth was fabricated from Jewish mythology.
So-called Hebrew Scripture is fundamentally about a myth/fiction character called the Lord God of the Jews.
It is claimed in Jewish mythology that people and supposed prophets got words from their myth/fiction Lord God--the Creator.
Examine excerpts of the OT with hundreds upon hundreds of fabricated words of the non-historical Lord God.
1. Genesis 15:1 ---After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram....
2. Exodus 4:28 ----And Moses told Aaron all the words of the Lord......
3. Numbers 23:5 ---And the Lord put a word in Balaam's mouth....
4. Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded
5. Joshua 3:9 And Joshua said...Come hither, and hear the words of the Lord your God.
6. Judges 2:4 ....... the angel of the Lord spake these words.....
7. 1 Samuel 8:10 -----And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people.....
8. 2 Samuel 7:4 ---- the word of the Lord came unto Nathan.....
9. 1 Kings 6:11 -----And the word of the Lord came to Solomon
10. 1 Kings 18:1------the word of the Lord came to Elijah...
11. 2 Kings 15:12 -----This was the word of the Lord which he spake unto Jehu
12. 1 Chronicles 11:3 ---they anointed David king.... according to the word of the Lord..
13. 2 Chronicles 11:2 ---But the word of the Lord came to Shemaiah....
14. Job 42:7...... the Lord had spoken these words unto Job,
15. Psalm 33:4..the word of the Lord is right....all his works are done in truth.
Isaiah 9:8 ---- The Lord sent a word into Jacob
Isaiah 38:4 ----Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah
Jeremiah 7:1 ---The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord
Ezekiel 1:3 ---The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel
Hosea 1:1 --- The word of the Lord that came unto Hosea
Joel 1:1 ---- The word of the Lord that came to Joel
Jonah 1:1 -- the word of the Lord came unto Jonah
Micah 1:1 --- The word of the Lord that came to Micah
Zephaniah 1:1 ---The word of the Lord which came unto Zephaniah
Zechariah 4:6----This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel
Zechariah 7:8 And the word of the Lord came unto Zechariah.
Malachi 1:1 ---The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi
The pattern is extremely clear.
People fabricated stories in Hebrew Scripture claiming they were the words of the Lord.
Jesus was a direct fabrication of those very invented words.
Matthew 1:22
Examine gLuke
Luke 24:44
All the words of the Lord God are fiction
Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled the fiction of the fabricated words of the non-historical Lord.
Jesus of Nazareth never ever had any history--always fiction.
Now, most blatant liars under the name of Paul claimed they were witnesses that the Lord God raised Jesus from the dead which must be false whether or not Jesus lived.
What we have before us are most monstrous fables of fiction characters called Jesus and Paul derived from the fiction called "the words of the Lord".
When one examines writings of antiquity it is easily seen that the character called Jesus of Nazareth was fabricated from Jewish mythology.
So-called Hebrew Scripture is fundamentally about a myth/fiction character called the Lord God of the Jews.
It is claimed in Jewish mythology that people and supposed prophets got words from their myth/fiction Lord God--the Creator.
Examine excerpts of the OT with hundreds upon hundreds of fabricated words of the non-historical Lord God.
1. Genesis 15:1 ---After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram....
2. Exodus 4:28 ----And Moses told Aaron all the words of the Lord......
3. Numbers 23:5 ---And the Lord put a word in Balaam's mouth....
4. Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded
5. Joshua 3:9 And Joshua said...Come hither, and hear the words of the Lord your God.
6. Judges 2:4 ....... the angel of the Lord spake these words.....
7. 1 Samuel 8:10 -----And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people.....
8. 2 Samuel 7:4 ---- the word of the Lord came unto Nathan.....
9. 1 Kings 6:11 -----And the word of the Lord came to Solomon
10. 1 Kings 18:1------the word of the Lord came to Elijah...
11. 2 Kings 15:12 -----This was the word of the Lord which he spake unto Jehu
12. 1 Chronicles 11:3 ---they anointed David king.... according to the word of the Lord..
13. 2 Chronicles 11:2 ---But the word of the Lord came to Shemaiah....
14. Job 42:7...... the Lord had spoken these words unto Job,
15. Psalm 33:4..the word of the Lord is right....all his works are done in truth.
Isaiah 9:8 ---- The Lord sent a word into Jacob
Isaiah 38:4 ----Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah
Jeremiah 7:1 ---The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord
Ezekiel 1:3 ---The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel
Hosea 1:1 --- The word of the Lord that came unto Hosea
Joel 1:1 ---- The word of the Lord that came to Joel
Jonah 1:1 -- the word of the Lord came unto Jonah
Micah 1:1 --- The word of the Lord that came to Micah
Zephaniah 1:1 ---The word of the Lord which came unto Zephaniah
Zechariah 4:6----This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel
Zechariah 7:8 And the word of the Lord came unto Zechariah.
Malachi 1:1 ---The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi
The pattern is extremely clear.
People fabricated stories in Hebrew Scripture claiming they were the words of the Lord.
Jesus was a direct fabrication of those very invented words.
Matthew 1:22
Examine gLuke
Luke 24:44
All the words of the Lord God are fiction
Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled the fiction of the fabricated words of the non-historical Lord.
Jesus of Nazareth never ever had any history--always fiction.
Now, most blatant liars under the name of Paul claimed they were witnesses that the Lord God raised Jesus from the dead which must be false whether or not Jesus lived.
What we have before us are most monstrous fables of fiction characters called Jesus and Paul derived from the fiction called "the words of the Lord".
I have snipped it a little to save space. As you present it, it is very clear. Why then are you so completely unable to see it, that people must worry that you have entirely lost your powers of discernment? What is this pattern when examined sensibly? I will let you tell us, dejudge.
Yes, so they did; but what else did they do? What else they did was to relate the words of real people, if the people had predicted things correctly, as if the Lord had vouchsafed the gift of prophecy unto these people. When some significant thing is stated, whether the thing in question is imaginary or authentic, the authors of the Tanakh say that thing is the work of the Lord; or information about it was provided unto some prophet by the Lord.
This practice therefore tells us nothing whatsoever about whether the thing reported is true or false. In either case, the Lord gets dragged into it by the compilers of the scriptures. So that when you state
you are misunderstanding the point you are trying to make. Paul is certainly not a fictitious monstrosity. But he believed in God, and when some significant idea entered his head, he tells us that it was God who put it there.
Moreover, the invention of fabulous stories about people doesn't mean they didn't exist. A fabricator of tales produced many monstrous fiction stories about William Tell, who in fact didn't exist. Another fabricator produced monstrous fiction stories about William Wallace, who in fact did exist. So that can happen both to fictitious and to authentic characters.
@ dejudge
Let us look at a phoney prophecy of a real event.
Let us look at a phoney prophecy of a real event.
Cyrus’s decree releasing the Jewish people, in fulfillment of prophecy, is recorded in 2 Chronicles 36:22–23: “Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom and also put it in writing: ‘Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, “The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah ... '"
Was the Temple rebuilt? Yes. Did this happen in order to fulfil the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah? No it didn't. The prophecies about the rebuilding of the Temple were concocted after the event. But that doesn't mean the event was fictitious; it means merely that the prophecy was a later fabrication.Jesus and Paul never existed--they were always fiction characters without a shred of history.
The fiction character Jesus was invented with the fiction called the "words of the Lord" in Hebrew Scripture.
John 1:1
From the beginning Jesus was fiction,with fiction and was made fiction!!!
Writers of antiquity attempted to turn fiction [the word of the Lord] into flesh.
John 1:14
What fiction!!!
Jesus is the only begotten son of the non-historical Lord God the Father.
Jesus was fathered by fiction.
Liars under the name of Paul claimed they and over 500 persons were seen of the non-historical resurrected Jesus.
Now, examine the writing called the Panarion attributed to Epiphanius
http://jacksonsnyder.com/yah/manuscript-library/the panarion of epiphanius of salamis.pdf
They are at least 50 versions of the Jesus story--all incoherent uncorroborated non-historical garbage.
The Panarion is evidence that the Jesus character never ever had any historical evidence and was always a fabricated product of fiction/myth.
If Jesus never existed then he had no disciples called Peter/Cephas.
Liars under the name of Paul claimed they met Peter/Cephas in Jerusalem and stayed with him for 15 days.
Galatians 1:18
What a pack of lies!!!
Cephas/Peter was a fiction character in the Gospels--a disciple of the son of a Ghost.
The fiction character Jesus was invented with the fiction called the "words of the Lord" in Hebrew Scripture.
John 1:1
From the beginning Jesus was fiction,with fiction and was made fiction!!!
Writers of antiquity attempted to turn fiction [the word of the Lord] into flesh.
John 1:14
What fiction!!!
Jesus is the only begotten son of the non-historical Lord God the Father.
Jesus was fathered by fiction.
Liars under the name of Paul claimed they and over 500 persons were seen of the non-historical resurrected Jesus.
Now, examine the writing called the Panarion attributed to Epiphanius
http://jacksonsnyder.com/yah/manuscript-library/the panarion of epiphanius of salamis.pdf
They are at least 50 versions of the Jesus story--all incoherent uncorroborated non-historical garbage.
The Panarion is evidence that the Jesus character never ever had any historical evidence and was always a fabricated product of fiction/myth.
If Jesus never existed then he had no disciples called Peter/Cephas.
Liars under the name of Paul claimed they met Peter/Cephas in Jerusalem and stayed with him for 15 days.
Galatians 1:18
What a pack of lies!!!
Cephas/Peter was a fiction character in the Gospels--a disciple of the son of a Ghost.
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@ dejudge
Your reasoning is not sound. Let's try it another way.
Suppose I want to refute the existence of Merlin and Sir Mordred, the companions of King Arthur. Is it enough to say "Arthur is supposed to have had a magic sword. But nobody has a magic sword. Therefore there could have been no Arthur. People who don't exist have no companions. Therefore there was no Merlin, and no Mordred". Now it is very probable that these characters are indeed fictitious, but the magic sword argument is not a valid way of proving it. Because there is another possibility: Arthur did exist, but he had a normal sword, and the story about the magic sword is an elaborated fiction told about a real person.
That's quite possible, and that possibility invalidates your arguments. For example, Jesus may have existed, but his mother was not a virgin. We recall - or at least I hope you recall this, dejudge; it would make me sad if you forgot - that the earliest sources, Paul and Mark, tell us nothing about ghosts copulating with virgins.
So maybe that didn't happen, and Jesus was conceived in the normal way. In short, the virgin story isn't conclusive as regards Jesus' historicity.
Your reasoning is not sound. Let's try it another way.
Suppose I want to refute the existence of Merlin and Sir Mordred, the companions of King Arthur. Is it enough to say "Arthur is supposed to have had a magic sword. But nobody has a magic sword. Therefore there could have been no Arthur. People who don't exist have no companions. Therefore there was no Merlin, and no Mordred". Now it is very probable that these characters are indeed fictitious, but the magic sword argument is not a valid way of proving it. Because there is another possibility: Arthur did exist, but he had a normal sword, and the story about the magic sword is an elaborated fiction told about a real person.
That's quite possible, and that possibility invalidates your arguments. For example, Jesus may have existed, but his mother was not a virgin. We recall - or at least I hope you recall this, dejudge; it would make me sad if you forgot - that the earliest sources, Paul and Mark, tell us nothing about ghosts copulating with virgins.
So maybe that didn't happen, and Jesus was conceived in the normal way. In short, the virgin story isn't conclusive as regards Jesus' historicity.
God, Satan, the Holy Ghost, Jesus, Paul and Peter were fiction characters.
Jesus was the son of Ghost and liars under the name of Paul claimed they saw Jesus, the firstborn of the dead, after the resurrection.
But, there is far more fiction!!!
In the Gospels, another fiction character called Peter witnessed the non-historical son of a Ghost walking on a lake.
Matthew 14
There was never ever any person called Peter who walked on a lake to meet the non-historical water walking son of a Ghost.
Jesus was the son of Ghost and liars under the name of Paul claimed they saw Jesus, the firstborn of the dead, after the resurrection.
But, there is far more fiction!!!
In the Gospels, another fiction character called Peter witnessed the non-historical son of a Ghost walking on a lake.
Matthew 14
There was never ever any person called Peter who walked on a lake to meet the non-historical water walking son of a Ghost.
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I'm eagerly waiting for the "more fiction" you're going to tell me about!
That's right. However it remains possible that there was a person called Peter who didn't walk on a lake to meet the non-historical water walking son of a Ghost
The Jesus stories are total fiction from conception to ascension.
There was never ever any disciples of the fiction called Jesus.
One of the fiction characters was Cephas/Peter.
Cephas/Peter witnessed the non-historical water walking event and conversed with the son of the Ghost as he threaded upon the lake.
In another monstrous fable, Peter/Cephas witnessed the non-historical instant transfiguration of Jesus and the fictitious resurrection of those who were supposed to be dead for hundreds of years.
Examine gMark
Mark 9.2-4
No person named Peter ever witnessed the fiction called the transfiguration or ever witnessed the appearance of Elijah and Moses talking with Jesus.
Jesus, Peter and Paul were all products of fiction.
There was never ever any disciples of the fiction called Jesus.
One of the fiction characters was Cephas/Peter.
Cephas/Peter witnessed the non-historical water walking event and conversed with the son of the Ghost as he threaded upon the lake.
In another monstrous fable, Peter/Cephas witnessed the non-historical instant transfiguration of Jesus and the fictitious resurrection of those who were supposed to be dead for hundreds of years.
Examine gMark
Mark 9.2-4
No person named Peter ever witnessed the fiction called the transfiguration or ever witnessed the appearance of Elijah and Moses talking with Jesus.
Jesus, Peter and Paul were all products of fiction.
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