President Trump

[Noztradamus]

Guns, guns, guns. Gotta have me some guns.
Wildly off topic.

Any wild claim that can be tied to Trump is on topic.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Of course it's subjective. Trump is a BS'er. Most people even his supporters recognize that. On the other hand Hillary is a pathological liar of the first order regarding important issues. That's one of the primary reasons she lost.

What a pantload. After DJT, Republicans will never again get away with pretending that they care about honesty or morality.

 

[thaiboxerken]

What a pantload. After DJT, Republicans will never again get away with pretending that they care about honesty or morality.

They have been without shame since Obama got elected. They will pee on your shoes while claiming that they are not soiling the situation.

 

[Reheat]

What a pantload. After DJT, Republicans will never again get away with pretending that they care about honesty or morality.

Well, one thing is for sure. You left out the remainder of my post, so your comment would fit your narrative. How dishonest can one be?

 

[thaiboxerken]

How dishonest can one be?

You have no room to talk about dishonesty. buh bye.

 

[Reheat]

They have been without shame since Obama got elected. They will pee on your shoes while claiming that they are not soiling the situation.

Well, they sure peed in Obama's shoes by stopping most of his liberal agenda, didn't they? Most of those executive actions will be undone before the door hits Obama in the ass as he's on his way out.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

What a pantload. After DJT, Republicans will never again get away with pretending that they care about honesty or morality.

I wouldn't think the party of "Keep your plan keep your Doctor" and "You're gonna save 20%" would lecture anyone about honesty...........
Chris B.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Well, one thing is for sure. You left out the remainder of my post, so your comment would fit your narrative. How dishonest can one be?

This?

Both candidates were onerous and deplorable choices. Voters simply had to make a decision which one they found most despicable and choose the other.

Yup, voters simply made a decision based on three decades of lies, witch-hunts and pseudo-scandals by the Vast Right-Wing BS Machine, which cranked into high gear during the campaign. The comment I responded to shows the effect it had on you. Rationalize your own decision any way you like, just don't expect to be taken seriously if you claim honesty and morality had anything to do with it.

 

[WilliamSeger]

I wouldn't think the party of "Keep your plan keep your Doctor" and "You're gonna save 20%" would lecture anyone about honesty...........
Chris B.

And I wouldn't expect anything from you except another idiotic false equivalence, without anything remotely resembling a rational argument. What are you trying to say? Obama was wrong about "keep your plan" so it's okay that DJT is a sociopathic liar? Or just that Obama is a Democrat so no Democrat is allowed to state the obvious fact that DJT is a sociopathic liar? As I was just discussing with Reheat, I get that you don't care that DJT is a sociopathic liar, but why am I not allowed to?

And anyway, do you even know anything about "keep your plan," who didn't get to keep their plan, and why?

 

[TragicMonkey]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Capish

And here I thought this would be off topic! It leads neatly back to a problem you have with evaluating authoritative sources: Urban Dictionary isn't a real dictionary, it's 'crowd sourced' and not edited or quality controlled or fact checked. The word is Italian, its spelling is not a matter of personal whim, and not everything with the word 'dictionary' in its name is actually a dictionary.

 

[Reheat]

And here I thought this would be off topic! It leads neatly back to a problem you have with evaluating authoritative sources: Urban Dictionary isn't a real dictionary, it's 'crowd sourced' and not edited or quality controlled or fact checked. The word is Italian, its spelling is not a matter of personal whim, and not everything with the word 'dictionary' in its name is actually a dictionary.

Who gives a ****** It was the first thing up when I searched for the spelling. I spent more time than I should have on it anyway.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Who gives a ****** It was the first thing up when I searched for the spelling. I spent more time than I should have on it anyway.

ETA: deleted, I was confusing you with another poster.

ETA2: actually, no I wasn't, that was you, but it was in another thread. Grrr. Oh well.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

And anyway, do you even know anything about "keep your plan," who didn't get to keep their plan, and why?

We didn't.

We had a high deductible plan that we were happy with, to the tune of just over $300/month. In Georgia, the cheapest qualifying Bronze Plan was over $1,300 for the two of us.

I went on Medicare, complicating things, but Karen's alone would now be about $700/month without subsidies.

So, we could not keep our plan, nor would we have saved $2,500/yr.

Our only question was Obama just naive in his predictions or did he intentionally mislead? I really don't see a third option.

 

[uke2se]

We didn't.

We had a high deductible plan that we were happy with, to the tune of just over $300/month. In Georgia, the cheapest qualifying Bronze Plan was over $1,300 for the two of us.

I went on Medicare, complicating things, but Karen's alone would now be about $700/month without subsidies.

So, we could not keep our plan, nor would we have saved $2,500/yr.

Our only question was Obama just naive in his predictions or did he intentionally mislead? I really don't see a third option.

I'd say the question is, can you afford your insurance?

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I'd say the question is, can you afford your insurance?

No, the question was: "...who didn't get to keep their plan, and why?"

In answer to your different question, would the new, higher premiums cause us to go hungry? No.

Would it deprive us of a large chunk of funds available for discretionary spending on other things, things that we value and enhance the quality of our lives? Most certainly.

But the larger issue is we lost the freedom to buy the insurance we wanted and was working for us. Granted, we had a $10,000 deductible per year each, but for over a decade we never even came close to hitting that. And Karen's new deductible is $6,700/yr, so it's better but not enough to compensate for the increased premiums.

But the question was whether anyone was unable to keep their plans. We were unable to keep our plan and don't think we're atypical.

 

[uke2se]

Would the new, higher premiums cause us to go hungry? No.

Would it deprive us of a large chunk of funds available for discretionary spending on other things, things that we value and enhance the quality of our lives? Most certainly.

But the larger issue is we lost the freedom to buy the insurance we wanted and was working for us. Granted, we had a $10,000 deductible per year each, but for over a decade we never even came close to hitting that. And Karen's new deductible is $6,700/yr, so it's better but not enough to compensate for the increased premiums.

But the question was whether anyone was unable to keep their plans. We were unable to keep our plan and don't think we're atypical.

I'd say that there's no problem then. Sure, you have a little less spending money. In return, millions of people get insurance who had none before.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'd say that there's no problem then. Sure, you have a little less spending money. In return, millions of people get insurance who had none before.

Also, the coverage of the plans are more comprehensive than before. Sure, some people could not keep their sub-optimal plans that were sure to rip them off, but that's a good thing.

I guess Obama should have put the qualifier of "if your health insurance plan meets minimum requirements" in the "you can keep it" statement.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I'd say that there's no problem then. Sure, you have a little less spending money. In return, millions of people get insurance who had none before.

Why should you, or the government, decide what's a "problem" for me or not?

To put things in perspective, Karen and I are both retired and my monthly Social Security check is under $1,200/month, and that's before the Medicare premiums are taken out.

Not pleading poverty - we were prudent enough the even in retirement we're not living on just Social Security. But the cost of the Bronze Plan would have had a huge effect on our quality of life.

But I feel like we're rehashing an old and oft-repeated argument, where the lines are pretty well drawn and no minds are going to be changed.

I just wanted to confirm that, yes, some people were not able to "keep their plans" - it was implied that was made up.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Why should you, or the government, decide what's a "problem" for me or not?

Because the needs of the society are more important than you.

 

[wareyin]

Why should you, or the government, decide what's a "problem" for me or not?

To put things in perspective, Karen and I are both retired and my monthly Social Security check is under $1,200/month, and that's before the Medicare premiums are taken out.

Not pleading poverty - we were prudent enough the even in retirement we're not living on just Social Security. But the cost of the Bronze Plan would have had a huge effect on our quality of life.

But I feel like we're rehashing an old and oft-repeated argument, where the lines are pretty well drawn and no minds are going to be changed.

I just wanted to confirm that, yes, some people were not able to "keep their plans" - it was implied that was made up.

Is there a reason you talk about the cost of the bronze plan before the subsidy rather than the actual cost of the plan? That seems misleading.