Are all Trump supporters racists?

fuelair said:
I doubt that any Trump opponents are racists. But a huge majority of his supporters certainly give every indication of being such!!!!!!!
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I strongly doubt the premises you're working from. There are a lot of racist African Americans, as an easy example, even if they hold notably less political sway than white racists.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
"Hate Crime Charges for Group Who Allegedly Beat Disabled Teen on Facebook Live"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hate-crime-charges-group-allegedly-193930907.html


Hillary supporters. Perhaps we need a new topic that questions if all Hillary supporters are racists? Chris B.
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Let's see whether there's any condemnation of their actions from prominent Democratic Party figures. If not, then it would be strongly indicative that the Democratic Party is tolerant of black-on-white racist attacks.

Oh, lookie here,

President Barack Obama has described the torture of a mentally disabled man in Chicago, streamed on Facebook Live, as a "despicable" hate crime
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38526456

So that seems to show that the Democratic Party is not tolerant of black-on-white racist attacks.
 
The Don said:
Let's see whether there's any condemnation of their actions from prominent Democratic Party figures. If not, then it would be strongly indicative that the Democratic Party is tolerant of black-on-white racist attacks.

Oh, lookie here,



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38526456

So that seems to show that the Democratic Party is not tolerant of black-on-white racist attacks.
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Obama said it was "horrific" and "despicable" Thank goodness. Another gold star awarded for a quick condemnation.

Nothing from Hillary yet, but it's still early. Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Hillary supporters. Perhaps we need a new topic that questions if all Hillary supporters are racists?
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You could put half of Hillary’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. Some of those folks are irredeemable.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Obama said it was "horrific" and "despicable" Thank goodness. Another gold star awarded for a quick condemnation.

Nothing from Hillary yet, but it's still early. Chris B.
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I'm in the UK so I don't get the same volume of U.S. news as you do over there. Has Hillary said much about anything for the past 6 weeks or so ? The impression I get is that she is lying low and licking her wounds. Is she even an active politician any more ?

OTOH the most prominent Democratic Party official, the current President, came out quickly and unequivocally condemned the attack.
 
The Don said:
I'm in the UK so I don't get the same volume of U.S. news as you do over there. Has Hillary said much about anything for the past 6 weeks or so ? The impression I get is that she is lying low and licking her wounds. Is she even an active politician any more ?

OTOH the most prominent Democratic Party official, the current President, came out quickly and unequivocally condemned the attack.
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Hillary is supposedly coming out of the woods to make an announcement soon. It's supposed to be something about her future political career. She may use Friday to address both issues? I would if I were she.
Chris B.
 
tyr_13 said:
His response seemed to be addressing every line of the post he quoted, except the one line you decided to leave in when cutting up that post.

Or did you not have criticism of Trump like you claimed, and you think Cainkane1 is right about who is critical of Trump?
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The one line I left in is the most important line. It's the entire reason for his response to Hercules56. Everything else Cainkane1 posted was to justify that one line, and if you ignore that one line, you're missing the point entirely. And it doesn't matter if Cainkane1 is right about Trump, those are still his beliefs, and on evidence they are not racist.

Or do you agree with Hercules56 that Cainkane1 is racist?
 
Joe Random said:
Given everything about Trump, how singularly unsuited he appears to be for the office, the fact that the election wasn't a Marianas Turkey Shoot blue victory should indicate that we (liberals as a whole) do in fact need to change a few things. I won't claim to have The Answer(tm), but I'm willing to bet that somewhere on the list is "engage with different opinions and don't simply call everyone who disagrees (even fractionally) with you a racist/sexit/whateverist".
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What makes you think that hurt his chances in the least? Maybe a Douchebag Bully won because a lot of people adore Douchebag Bullies, but don't have the brass to admit that, so they blame it on "elite arrogance " or some such thing.
 
Ziggurat said:
The one line I left in is the most important line. It's the entire reason for his response to Hercules56. Everything else Cainkane1 posted was to justify that one line, and if you ignore that one line, you're missing the point entirely. And it doesn't matter if Cainkane1 is right about Trump, those are still his beliefs, and on evidence they are not racist.

Or do you agree with Hercules56 that Cainkane1 is racist?
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It doesn't matter if everything he based his belief off of was wrong? In another thread, you even chided someone for making a valid semantic clarification. Where did you put the real Zig?

If, as you have said, you're interested in outcomes, then he's blinded himself into supporting someone who has racist policies and beliefs, and the outcome is the same as if he were one.

I don't know if Cainkane1 is racist. I really, really don't. I don't think Hercules56 does either. It doesn't retroactively make his claim false. At the time, no one he knew as a Trump supporter was a non-racist.

Are you going with the logger view of racism, that the person has to both know and admit it for it to be racism?

It also doesn't make uke2se's comment inaccurate just because he appears to be talking about something different than you want to in that post. Ask for clarification and you might actually get it, rather than simply misrepresenting what was said.
 
tyr_13 said:
It doesn't matter if everything he based his belief off of was wrong?
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Not to the point he was making. It only matters for other reasons.

I don't know if Cainkane1 is racist. I really, really don't. I don't think Hercules56 does either.
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Then you should call Hercules56 out for that. Instead, you call me out for pointing out that he has no reason to conclude that Cainkane1 is racist.

It doesn't retroactively make his claim false.
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It makes his claim completely unsupported. But that was obvious even before Cainkane1 spoke up.

Are you going with the logger view of racism, that the person has to both know and admit it for it to be racism?
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Nope. But I am going with the view that one needs evidence before one concludes something is racism, and supporting Trump doesn't constitute such evidence.

Ask for clarification and you might actually get it, rather than simply misrepresenting what was said.
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I didn't misrepresent anything. He avoided Cainkane1's point, and I pointed that out.
 
Ziggurat said:
Not to the point he was making. It only matters for other reasons.



Then you should call Hercules56 out for that. Instead, you call me out for pointing out that he has no reason to conclude that Cainkane1 is racist.



It makes his claim completely unsupported. But that was obvious even before Cainkane1 spoke up.



Nope. But I am going with the view that one needs evidence before one concludes something is racism, and supporting Trump doesn't constitute such evidence.



I didn't misrepresent anything. He avoided Cainkane1's point, and I pointed that out.
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Nope. I specifically called you out for misrepresenting uke2se's comment by omission.
 
tyr_13 said:
Nope. I specifically called you out for misrepresenting uke2se's comment by omission.
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You're simply wrong. uke2se omitted addressing the actual point of Cainkane1's post, and I called him out on that. You just want to change the subject.
 
Hercules56 said:
Many folks say ALL Trump supporters are racists and bigots.

I disagree.

I think many of them are. But the majority are not.

However, EVERY Trump supporter I know or have encountered in person or on the internet, is a racist and a bigot.
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They are not all racists or bigots, but they are all apologists for racists or bigots and that includes the Trump of 5 years ago, never mind the more recent pussy grabbing one.
 
tyr_13 said:
Are you going with the logger view of racism, that the person has to both know and admit it for it to be racism?
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Actually I said you shouldn't accuse people of being racist without proof. You called bertherism racist because you had a feeling. You called me a racist because you had a feeling. Varoche called me a racist yesterday because he had a feeling. I've told all of you, your side throws that term around like candy.
 
Elind said:
They are not all racists or bigots, but they are all apologists for racists or bigots and that includes the Trump of 5 years ago, never mind the more recent pussy grabbing one.
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Just go ahead and prove we are apologists!
 
Mumbles said:
He literally proposed to treat people, across the US, differently based on skin color (ie: Stop and Frisk). That's the definition of racism.

ETA: it's specifically white supremacism, based on what he's said of other groups.
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Stop and frisk doesn't involve whites being stopped?
 
bruto said:
Maybe we should revel in the new age of factless feeling. Why should anyone prove anything, or respect anyone? Next to the Trump stickers these days I'm starting to see another, and perhaps it should be evenly applied: Suck it up, buttercup.
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New age? Liberals have been doing this for years.

Imagine my surprise when stumbling on a skeptics forum and it's mostly libs ruled by emotion pretending to be logical.

You can't make this up!
 
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