If it is then I'm not sure if she's in trouble. It'll give her an opportunity to get her own creature in there instead.
I'm sure I'll be portrayed as such
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If it is then I'm not sure if she's in trouble. It'll give her an opportunity to get her own creature in there instead.
I'm sure I'll be portrayed as such
She'll be in trouble if her creature is a nutcase xenophobe, or if that creature fails miserably to get any deal that the voters will be willing to accept as reasonable.
IMO it doesn't matter what the voters think, the Conservatives will be in for a generation due to a complete lack of a viable opposition in England.
Any and all shortcomings in the Brexit deal will be blamed on EU unreasonableness and by then the majority of the electorate will have been battered with enough jingoistic rhetoric to believe that it is the EU's fault.
The guy who resigned was the one who said last month that the deal would take ten years to discuss and even then might not be accepted.
So good riddance. Even if trying to negotiate with the intractable EU might take an eternity, you don't want the guy negotiating on your behalf to set out with such a defeatist attitude - tell them you expect ten years and they'd take at least twenty.
And he was yet another ex public schoolboy who's been given a knighthood for just doing his well paid job. How many people had even heard of him up till a couple of months ago? Why are our politicians still allowed to hand out gongs to civil servants? These are supposed to be honours - not lunch tokens.
So good riddance. Even if trying to negotiate with the intractable EU might take an eternity, you don't want the guy negotiating on your behalf to set out with such a defeatist attitude - tell them you expect ten years and they'd take at least twenty.
And he was yet another ex public schoolboy who's been given a knighthood for just doing his well paid job. How many people had even heard of him up till a couple of months ago? Why are our politicians still allowed to hand out gongs to civil servants? These are supposed to be honours - not lunch tokens.
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Amended for this reality rather than the Little England fantasy world you keep describing.
God knows how we ever managed to negotiate much more complicated deals in the past without taking years and years over them.
If the present shower of bureaucrats had been around at the time we'd still be negotiating over ending World War II. If it takes ten years to negotiate a country leaving a political club surely negotiating the end of a world war would take at least eighty years.
If the present shower of bureaucrats had been around at the time we'd still be negotiating over ending World War II. If it takes ten years to negotiate a country leaving a political club surely negotiating the end of a world war would take at least eighty years.
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Sure cite us which more complicated deal it was, and when the real start and end happened.
As somebody once said "citation needed".
ETA: and try to give us a deal where both side negotiated, rather than one surrendering unconditionally.
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I could be wrong but WW2 ended whrn Germany surrendered in Europe unconditionally and Japan surrendered in the Far East unconditionally.
Are you suggesting that Britain just leaves the EU 'unconditionally', No treaties, no negotiations?
Are you suggesting that Britain just leaves the EU 'unconditionally', No treaties, no negotiations?
We didn't, on the rare occasions where deals were struck at short notice they were either terrible(see Munich Agreement) or one side had the other over a barrel(See Treaty of Versailles)
Hint: Unconditional surrender is not a negotiation.
CapelDodger
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/03/uk-ambassador-to-eu-quits-amid-brexit-row
Which is true for large values of "few".
Are these people all off their heads? This from your Guardian article link.
John Redwood the Euro-sceptic MP said ” Sir Ivan’s heart was not in the negotiations. The talks do not need to be that complicated. If you leave, you leave. You take control of your borders, your laws, and your money and that is not something that needs to be negotiated with Mrs Merkel”.
The insouciance expressed here is outlandish.Spin doctors have now reversed direction of rotation. From the Telegraph.
Government sources made clear that Sir Ivan had “jumped before he was pushed” and that Number 10 believed his negative view of Brexit meant that he could not lead the negotiations after the Prime Minister triggers Article 50.
CapelDodger
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It seems we now have a political Test, under which sufficient enthusiasm for leaving the EU is a requirement for public service.
What a rabble, and what a shambles they're creating.
What a rabble, and what a shambles they're creating.
CapelDodger
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There's limited pool with sufficient diplomatic credentials for her to choose from, and I doubt she has any "creatures" in the Foreign Office. She's never seemed to have much interest in foreign affairs beyond keeping foreigners out.
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Courage, mon brave. The British party system is in one of its periodic transitions, in my opinion, and the new one is likely to coalesce around the two poles of the EU question. And lets not forget that this government is failing on other fronts, such as the NHS.
If the Lib Dems can gather the Remain vote while the Tories fracture and Labur and UKIP gnaw on each other we could still come out of this smiling.
There has never been a more complicated negotiation, after the World War things were being created from a reasonably blank canvas and as said above complete surrender by one side. A compromise of a sort was possible between the rest because there was broad agreement on the aims but not the detail. Here we are dismantling 40 years of collaboration and law and even if every Brexiteer thinks it's only about Trade and immigration, everyone else is telling them it is not.
This is the continuing lie of Brexit, ignore the complexity, ignore the fact that our membership of the EU affects everything from Agriculture to the Zoos directive and that every point in between will need negotiation. Leaving the EU has implications for every part of our daily life.
However the tactic to dealing with any facts or logic is now to brand everyone who says so from the civil servants to external advisors as unpatriotic and lacking vision for the UK so that the country does not get the facts and people get scared to speak out because if they do they will be forced out of their jobs and their reputation wil be challenged and tarnished by a very powerful machine.
If you add to this that the party doing the negotiations is the same party that has consistently allowed the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, we are in for very hard times. Of course, there are Tories who just want to leave because then they can get on with repealing and dismantling every right that protects the poor and the worker.
The EU has acted as partly a control on the worst parts of proposed past legislation that would have removed our protections in key areas and that is why it certain factions are telling us it must be revoked because it runs counter to a particular very right wing idealogy. I think that the problem is now that the Remain side is still trying to be logical in an era where ideology and propaganda has become king and facts and logic are simply to be swept aside.
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Big if........
IMO the LibDems are in rebuilding mode and are unlikely to win more than a couple of dozen seats. Even if they are unambiguously "Remain" there's still a lot of political inertia which means that pro-Remain Labour and Conservative supporters simply cannot bring themselves to vote LibDem (it took me a couple of tries
).The Labour Party is a mess with a pro-Brexit leader and a lot of pro-Brexit activists - IMO they will continue to lose both votes and seats.
OTOH the Conservatives are sitting pretty in most of England. No matter how fractured the party or how incompetent the candidate, the blue-rinse and golf club brigade will faithfully turn out and place their 'X' next to the blue rosette.
I see this in Wyld Bird Seed. All of us were pro Remain with varying degrees of enthusiasm. The three of us who are left leaning are looking for a political party to represent the Remain point of view. The two Conservative voters are now of a mind that they want out of the EU whatever the cost and that the Conservatives are the party to do it.
I see that same scenario playing out across England (and the "English" parts of Wales like we are here).
The treaty with Japan was only signed some 7 years after the war.
Austria, some 10 years.
And Germany...well...that was 1990.
And that was an imposed peace, with one side not exactly in a position to argue.
Actually, I think ceptimus is, from what I can remember of his posts.
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This is brilliant.
It's vitally important that the person in charge of leaving the EU not be smart enough co comprehend what a *************** it is.
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