Question about crop circles

Seismosaurus said:
The guy I'm talking to claims that "real" circles have bent stalks, and "fake" ones have broken stalks. Stalks cannot be bent by fakers, he says.
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We have many pictures of humans making crop circles, so we know they can be made that way. This is a fact.

We have no good evidence of "real" circles made any other way, so claiming only real ones have bent stalks, or any other defining characteristic, is pure fantasy and speculation.

Besides, I've heard the exact opposite (fake ones are bent, real ones are not), with equal proof, or lack of it.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I think that unlikely. We've all seen pictures of unidentified objects in the sky, and there have been references to them in several threads on this forum. I've never seen anyone saying "this isn't a real picture". What I have seen is many debunkers saying "this is not proof of the existence of visiting aliens", and listing other, more plausible, explanations for the images.
As always, I am happy to be proved wrong (because this means I've learned something). Do you have any verified pictures of visiting aliens or their spacecraft, that have been dismissed as fakes by debunkers?
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Hey, Cosmic, long time haven't read lately. You are taking things too literally. The comment that I quoted was from somebody making an all or nothing, black or white arrogant assertion that was delivered in a rude and condescending manner. What I was doing was satire heavily dosed with the same degree of sarcasm as the poster put out towards those whom he is disdaniful. In psychology it is call Mirror Imaging; that's what my post was all about. Nothing more and nothing less.

Cosmic, you're going to love what I'm going to do here in the very near future. First of all, I will be dedicating the thread to you and the others whose responses were deepsixed on my post of Amatuer Astromoners vs. Skilled Avatiors, thereby, efffectively killing a really good thread. I'm going to revive the Amatuer Astronomers vs. Skilled Avatiors thread in a way that the Mods won't censor and I will be presenting the "Shameless" Nickel segment on the Flying Friar(Human Levitation special) as Exihibit Num. 1. Stay tuned; same Bat Channel, same Bat Time. If you think I might have forgotten or dragging my feet, please feel free to p.m. me.

I actually emailed Shameless Joe and posed as a friendly sycophant and he directed me to a british show that had the same segment.
 
Am I the only person who recalls the crop circle idea having once, years ago, included something about a small amount of an unidentified substance being left behind? That part seems to have been getting left out for years now.

Darat said:
Derail about vowels moved to its own thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
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Where?
 
Delvo said:
Am I the only person who recalls the crop circle idea having once, years ago, included something about a small amount of an unidentified substance being left behind? That part seems to have been getting left out for years now.
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Nope. You are correct, but I honestly cannot quite pin that memory down. Total guess, but was it not some type of radiation which was claimed? I know you are right, but I am struggling with the details. Human memory and all that.
 
Delvo said:
Am I the only person who recalls the crop circle idea having once, years ago, included something about a small amount of an unidentified substance being left behind? That part seems to have been getting left out for years now.
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I recall claims of metal nanospheres or something like that being found at "real" crop circles.
 
jakesteele said:
Hey, Cosmic, long time haven't read lately. You are taking things too literally. The comment that I quoted was from somebody making an all or nothing, black or white arrogant assertion that was delivered in a rude and condescending manner. What I was doing was satire heavily dosed with the same degree of sarcasm as the poster put out towards those whom he is disdaniful. In psychology it is call Mirror Imaging; that's what my post was all about. Nothing more and nothing less.

Cosmic, you're going to love what I'm going to do here in the very near future. First of all, I will be dedicating the thread to you and the others whose responses were deepsixed on my post of Amatuer Astromoners vs. Skilled Avatiors, thereby, efffectively killing a really good thread. I'm going to revive the Amatuer Astronomers vs. Skilled Avatiors thread in a way that the Mods won't censor and I will be presenting the "Shameless" Nickel segment on the Flying Friar(Human Levitation special) as Exihibit Num. 1. Stay tuned; same Bat Channel, same Bat Time. If you think I might have forgotten or dragging my feet, please feel free to p.m. me.

I actually emailed Shameless Joe and posed as a friendly sycophant and he directed me to a british show that had the same segment.
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I could say that I am all anticipation, but I would be lying.
You crack on and start your thread. I seem to remember you got something of a spanking in the last one, but don't let that discourage you.
Oh, and do please remember, once you get it off the ground, to make it clear at the time whether you are being serious, or using this Mirror Imaging thing. It's hard to tell sometimes.
 
Seismosaurus said:
Still can't find any film of stalks being bent. Yes, there's plenty of film of people making crop circles. But they never go in close on the stalks to show them bent rather than broken.

And yes, if he asserts that stalks cannot be bent by boards then that is his positive assertion to prove. But equally, if I assert that bending rather than breaking stalks can be done with boards, then I am also making a positive assertion and I have a burden of proof too.

And it's not like I'm being asked to prove the impossible here. If stalks can be bent with a board then this should be very easy to prove, yes? Just a clip of somebody doing so.
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Did you watch the unmasked video? I think it shows that.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Did you watch the unmasked video? I think it shows that.
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I think you can find a lot of answers to your crop circles questions in this free ebook (kindle unlimited) available on Amazon:
CROP CIRCLES Signs of Intelligence
UFOs, Aliens and Close Encounters of the Second Kind

If you're interested you can search it in Amazon, ASIN is:
B01NBN25CD

Clicking the cover (Look inside) you can read for free the first part in advance.
Due to its large file size, this ebook may take longer to download, it contains more than 170 photographs, images and drawings.
 
jajacircle said:
Due to its large file size, this ebook may take longer to download, it contains more than 170 photographs, images and drawings.
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I don't have a Kindle, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Does that terrific book have pictures of aliens making crop circles? Interviews with circle-making aliens? Affidavits from known aliens? Probably not.

Does that book have pix of ruddy farmers making circles? If not, it's doing it the hard way. There are lots of images of known, certified humans doing that.

It all comes down to fantasy vs. reality. No amount of wishful thinking and after-the-fact images will trump the obvious.
 
Sherman Bay said:
I don't have a Kindle, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Does that terrific book have pictures of aliens making crop circles? Interviews with circle-making aliens? Affidavits from known aliens? Probably not.

Does that book have pix of ruddy farmers making circles? If not, it's doing it the hard way. There are lots of images of known, certified humans doing that.

It all comes down to fantasy vs. reality. No amount of wishful thinking and after-the-fact images will trump the obvious.
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Dear Sherman Bay, I am the author (Francesco Grassi) of this ebook and I'm one of the members of the italian skeptical organization CICAP.
Anyone who wants to study seriously the crop circles subject and the belief system around them, will find a lot of interesting things in it.
If you knew about the "scientific" papers by Levengood-Talbott and Haselhoff, you have to know as well that I am the main author of the scientific manuscript "Balls Of Light: The Questionable Science of Crop Circles" that we published in 2005.
This ebook contains all the explanations about this "scientific" aspects related to the nodes length of the wheat.

Thanks
 
jajacircle said:
Dear Sherman Bay, I am the author (Francesco Grassi) of this ebook and I'm one of the members of the italian skeptical organization CICAP.
Anyone who wants to study seriously the crop circles subject and the belief system around them, will find a lot of interesting things in it.
If you knew about the "scientific" papers by Levengood-Talbott and Haselhoff, you have to know as well that I am the main author of the scientific manuscript "Balls Of Light: The Questionable Science of Crop Circles" that we published in 2005.
This ebook contains all the explanations about this "scientific" aspects related to the nodes length of the wheat.

Thanks
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Like Sherman Bay, I did not download the free Kindle because I don't use it, but I did look at the paper you mention here ("Balls of Light..."). While I did not attempt to follow the math, the write-up is clear and seems to be a definitive refutation of the L-T&H paper.

Thanks.
 
Garrette said:
Like Sherman Bay, I did not download the free Kindle because I don't use it, but I did look at the paper you mention here ("Balls of Light..."). While I did not attempt to follow the math, the write-up is clear and seems to be a definitive refutation of the L-T&H paper.

Thanks.
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Thanks Garette.
This is to say that anyone doesn't need actually a "Kindle" device to read an ebook in kindle format, you can install the reader software on any devices you like, even Windows, Apple or others OS.
I'm not allowed to paste URLs here at the moment, but you could easily find it over the web.
 
jajacircle said:
Thanks Garette.
This is to say that anyone doesn't need actually a "Kindle" device to read an ebook in kindle format, you can install the reader software on any devices you like, even Windows, Apple or others OS.
I'm not allowed to paste URLs here at the moment, but you could easily find it over the web.
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I started to do that, but it would have required signing up for a monthly autopay, but perhaps I didn't look hard enough (I did it through Amazon).
 
Garrette said:
I started to do that, but it would have required signing up for a monthly autopay, but perhaps I didn't look hard enough (I did it through Amazon).
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Takes a bit of rummaging, but you can find free kindle readers out there. This topic, however, is insufficiently interesting for me to make the effort. Crop circles? Meh. That is so last century.
 
abaddon said:
Takes a bit of rummaging, but you can find free kindle readers out there. This topic, however, is insufficiently interesting for me to make the effort. Crop circles? Meh. That is so last century.
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I found this crop circles investigation very interesting.
It took me more than 12 years and made me understand the way the belief systems arise and how much difficult is to debunk mysteries that could seem so simple.

"[...] Those who, by chance or choice, curiously approach the circle’s edge to explore it end up being drawn in by a vortex of tales, events, people, legends and myths that undoubtedly leave their mark. This vortex leads directly to the discovery of the complex nature of the human soul."

And I strongly thinks that this is applicable to all the mysteries, doesn't matter if complex or simple they can appear.
 
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