"24 hard facts about 9/11 that cannot be debunked"

7. Osama bin Laden was not the mastermind behind 9/11. In 2007 Khalid Sheik Mohammad and several other al-Qaeda operatives who helped plan 9/11 were officially charged. Osama bin Laden wasn't charged but he was listed as a co-conspirator in a 92 page FBI document. The FBI also never said there is no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. That comment was made by Rex Tomb, who did (at the time) work for the FBI but was neither an agent nor a counter-terrorism expert. The FBI itself has since said that Rex Tomb's comments don't accurately explain the situation and the FBI Chief, Robert Mueller, has said "The evidence linking al-Qaeda [headed by bin Laden] to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable".

8. LIES. They were probably either talking about 1.) seeing the aftermath of the explosions from the jet fuel shooting down the elevator shafts when the planes hit, 2.) were talking about hearing noises which sounded like explosions and bombs going off while they were in the lobby which they later found out were bodies hitting the ground outside or 3.) they were talking about what happened in the North Tower lobby when the South Tower collapsed. Also, you should know that almost every second of the events in the North Tower lobby were captured on video by Jules Naudet, who was WITH the firefighters AT the command post, and nowhere in the video is there any explosion that gets their attention (EXCEPT when bodies hit the ground and EXCEPT when the South Tower collapses).

9. 9/11 Commission was not tasked with invesitaging the WTC collapse or the conditions in the pile. John Gross clearly says that he didn't know of anyone who saw molten steel or anyone who produced it. Not exactly a surprise there. The purpose of the NIST investigation was to investigate and explain why the buildings collapsed, not to investigate conditions in the pile afterwards. This is what the report did. Because of interest in the molten metal, NIST did a brief section about it in their FAQ section. So, they do give an explanation.


10. This actually one of the few areas of 9/11 CTs that I haven't looked into.

11. Yes on Sept. 10 Rumsfeld said that there was $2.3 trillion spent in the year 1999 (during Clinton) which the accounting records had not yet fully accounted for how it was spent, but the Pentagon also announced the poorly accounted for $2.3 trillion on January 7, 2001, again on January 11, 2001, again in February, twice in June, and twice in July. So it wasn't like the Bush Administration first admitted to in the day before 9/11 in order to keep it out of the media (they had talked about it many times far prior to 9/11), and eventually they did account for how the vast majority of the $2.3 billion in 1999 was spent.

12. Misleading. Their own website, front page, clearly says (in bold lettering): "This page of the website is a collection of their statements. The website does not represent any organization and it should be made clear that none of these individuals are affiliated with this website." In other words, none of the highly ranked CIA and FBI people who are listed on the website even know that they're on the website. For example, they list General Wesley Clark as a member, even though that's only because he made a statement that, "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time." To 9/11 truthers, that means that he believes 9/11 was an inside job. To rational people, it means that he thinks we need to finish investigating whether the administration poorly handled the intelligence it had.
 
13. This is true

14. How can I debunk this if no facts are given showing that these were false flags?

15. This is true

16. Widespread debris is consistent with the way the plane crashed. When you say something was "shot down", you can talk about an idea being shot down, you can refer to someone being rejected by a woman as shot down, when someone drives a plane head first into the ground, you can refer to it as shooting it down. Can anyone really expect to find blood after an ensuing fireball. Stull did not say there was no plane he said he did not see much of the plane in the crater.

17. This is true. Not one piece of steel was allowed to be recycled before it could be studied. Many samples were taken from the debris landfill and examined at WPI University.

18. As someone else here already said only 25% of the 60 million was actually spent on investigating the Lewinksy affair. Also the 9/11 Commission was only the congressional investigation to find out why the attacks weren't prevented. The actual criminal investigation PENTTBOM was the FBI's largest investigation ever (4 million man hours) and $70 million.

19. HE mispoke. He obviously meant to say that he saw the aftermath of the first crash on TV. I would that say that it's pretty clear to any rational person that Bush's intial reaction to the attacks is that of someone who had no foreknowledge of what would happen.

20. It was written right after the 1995 OKC bombing to be exact.
 
21. Marvin Bush was on the board of directors(which is basically a group of individuals that are elected as, or elected to act as, representatives of the stockholders of a company) of Securacom which only provided cameras to the WTC in 1998, UA HQ in Chicago, Dulles Airport and many other places as well.

22. O’Neil was removed from the FBI by Thomas Pickard not Kroll. It was John HIMSELF who decided to take the security job at the WTC.

23. "A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades."- 9/11 Commission report, footnote 130 to chapter 5

24. You mean 7 guys with the same name but different birthdays who were obviously misidentifyed early by investigators as being the hijackers because they were pilots(even though none of the muscle hijackers were ever pilots). CCTV cameras captured all 5 hijackers passing through security for AA77.
 
2. This is true (1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911’, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.)

5. This is true (6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail” Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, “It was a 30 year conspiracy”, “The whitehouse has played cover up”, ‘Max Cleland resigned’, ‘John Farmer’.)

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2. Is meaningless BS, as the total engineers amounts to an insignificant less than 0.1 percent of all engineers. The explosive evidence is a lie, and the blueprint for truth is a series of idiotic lies based on BS.
2 is not true because the stuff produced by this failed movement are lies; lies and misleading BS.

‘Explosive Evidence’ - a big lie, no evidence for any 9/11 truth claims.
‘Blueprint for Truth’ - more lies and BS

5., not true, a failed quote mining attempt to mislead nuts to believe 9/11 truth. A great example of quote mining to mislead.

I doubt anything is true from 9/11 truth; not sure they know the date -
 
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The wildest conspiracy theory of 9-11 is no less credible than the official version.
Where is this "Official version" etched in stone, that you speak of?

Did you hear the one about the foam? How about the one about the missiles that make plane marks? The nukes? Didja hear about the DEW dustifiers? Super seekret sikent explosive steel cutting ceiling tiles?
 
Where is this "Official version" etched in stone, that you speak of?

Did you hear the one about the foam? How about the one about the missiles that make plane marks? The nukes? Didja hear about the DEW dustifiers? Super seekret sikent explosive steel cutting ceiling tiles?

Take your pick. Any one of them will do.
 
Take your pick. Any one of them will do.

Well, it is beyond rational dispute that two large fast, fuel laden aircraft hit the twin towers and a third hit The Pentagon, with a fourth crashing into a field in Penn.

That alone makes the scenario of these being the direct or indirect cause of the destruction wrought, the null hypothesis. Overturning a null requires extraordinary evidence, which is in this case, extraordinarily lacking.
 
Well, it is beyond rational dispute that two large fast, fuel laden aircraft hit the twin towers and a third hit The Pentagon, with a fourth crashing into a field in Penn.

That alone makes the scenario of these being the direct or indirect cause of the destruction wrought, the null hypothesis. Overturning a null requires extraordinary evidence, which is in this case, extraordinarily lacking.
How do you account for the raging dispute then? I assume you've read the reports, both official and otherwise? But then you'd have to have done in order to make your statement on what constitutes "rational dispute". Yes?
 
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How do you account for the raging dispute then? I assume you've read the reports, both official and otherwise? But then you'd have to have done in order to make your statement on what constitutes "rational dispute". Yes?

What raging dispute? I don't see any. All I see are CT proponents trying to pretend that one exists.
 
What raging dispute? I don't see any. All I see are CT proponents trying to pretend that one exists.

Now if jaydeehess can support his use of "rational dispute" ...... and you can do the same for "CT proponents" ...... then we might actually be able to get somewhere. So far all the two of you are doing is sprinkling side-stepping adjectives without a sound basis.
 
Now if jaydeehess can support his use of "rational dispute" ...... and you can do the same for "CT proponents" ...... then we might actually be able to get somewhere. So far all the two of you are doing is sprinkling side-stepping adjectives without a sound basis.

I cannot. CT proponents are not rational.
 
The wildest conspiracy theory of 9-11 is no less credible than the official version.


On the contrary, the official version is much more credible than 9/11 conspiracy theories. 9/11 CT'ers don't understand a thing about CD, explosives, thermite, ACARS, molten metal, aircraft flight performances, radar data, effects of fire on steel-framed buildings, etc.

I've caught CT'ers posting false and misleading information and even hoaxed photos and videos, that I knew were hoaxed. They seem unaware that much of what they were posting was deliberately planted in order to discredit the truth movement.

I once posted a warning regarding a doctored video of WTC 7, and just days later, two CT'ers posted that same doctored video in their response to me as their evidence that WTC 7 was taken down by CD explosives. It was apparent to me they failed to read my warning about that doctored video, and as a result of their ignorance and stupidity, I let them have it with both barrels when I presented the person who hoaxed that doctored WTC 7 video.

CT'ers are easily duped. For an example, they were duped into believing that tampering with a transponder will render an aircraft invisible to radar. Perhaps, someone should tell CT'ers that the B-767 and B-757 are not stealth aircraft.
 
I cannot. CT proponents are not rational.
You are binding two notions together. I suppose you think that anything you find 'not rational' is (by your definition) CT. But how do you deal with that what was once thought of as CT yet turned out to be true? Is/was it in retrospect 'rational'? I think you might be backing yourself into a corner.
 
On the contrary, the official version is much more credible than 9/11 conspiracy theories. 9/11 CT'ers don't understand a thing about CD, explosives, thermite, ACARS, molten metal, aircraft flight performances, radar data, effects of fire on steel-framed buildings, etc.

I've caught CT'ers posting false and misleading information and even hoaxed photos and videos, that I knew were hoaxed. They seem unaware that much of what they were posting was deliberately planted in order to discredit the truth movement.

I once posted a warning regarding a doctored video of WTC 7, and just days later, two CT'ers posted that same doctored video in their response to me as their evidence that WTC 7 was taken down by CD explosives. It was apparent to me they failed to read my warning about that doctored video, and as a result of their ignorance and stupidity, I let them have it with both barrels when I presented the person who hoaxed that doctored WTC 7 video.

CT'ers are easily duped. For an example, they were duped into believing that tampering with a transponder will render an aircraft invisible to radar. Perhaps, someone should tell CT'ers that the B-767 and B-757 are not stealth aircraft.
Do you think a lit cigarette lying on the floor could have caused building 7 to sustain the damage the official version claims? No? What about a lit book of matches? A piece of paper on fire? 2 pieces of paper? Still no? At what point will you be willing to believe "a fire" is a credible explanation for what happened? 27 pieces of paper on a hot day and a magnifying glass lying nearby? Where does credibility come into play?
 
The wildest one I have heard is that Cters twoofers actually have brain cells.

I find that exstreamly hard to believe.
:duck:The wildest one I have witnessed (today anyway) is a seemingly educated man or woman with brain cells and a fine command of the English language who cannot spell the word 'extremely' properly.
 

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