Are all Trump supporters racists?

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It's just a daily cavalcade of nonsense from you, isn't it?

Seems like my point was simple enough. Feel free to ignore me. Chris B.

 

[Aridas]

You guys are free to believe in fairy tales but the facts don't support your beliefs. Fact is Black suspects being shot by White cops is publicized and White suspects being shot by White cops are usually not.

Many police shootings are done by non-White officers as well. Yet we don't seem to hear about those cases near as much as the White officer/Black suspect. Wonder why? It doesn't fit with the fantasy being sold by the hate groups.

In spite of what you've been sold, the police are the good guys and the criminals are the bad guys. If you don't want to die at the hand of a police officer, then don't be a criminal, and don't do anything to make the policeman shoot you. Easy.
Chris B.

Incidentally, I decided to look into a slightly related question, "How many whites are killed by blacks?" A notably superficial search came up with only one link that was had much of anything to say on that topic and it had a number of "This site isn't especially trustworthy" flags. Still, this site did claim to be citing a 2013 FBI report when it stated -

According to the 2013 FBI Crime Report, that year the number of blacks killed by whites was at approximately 0.77 per 1,000,000 blacks, while the number of whites killed by blacks was at 9.83 per 1,000,000 whites.

Other than that, several of the site blurbs during the superficial search included the claim that a significant majority of the blacks who are shot by police are shot by black officers, which, to be fair, would hardly be surprising given that black officers would be generally more likely to work in areas where black people live from the start.

Neither of these things would excuse the racism and bigotry that certainly do exist, but both also suggest that racism or bigotry isn't the first or only place that one should be looking for answers.

Oh, and in the interests of disclosure, I certainly don't like the urban black culture that can be found in many cities, which WilliamSeger suggested would automatically make me a bigot. I'd disagree with that given that I am certainly tolerant of it and nothing about tolerance demands liking what one disagrees with.

 

[Resume]

If you'll simply go back to the Resume's post I responded to. He asked for an anecdote and I provided one. If you think I'm not aware that an account from a brother-in-law is heresay, you are very mistaken.

It is an anecdote and not evidence. There is a difference. Chris B.

My reply should have been "Anecdotes, Really!?

added info: The Brother-in-law in question voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. He also explained to me why Obama was a "US born" citizen no matter where he was born on the planet. He may lie in court for a living, but I've found him to be an honest friend even though his political views conflict with mine.

This story sounds as full of **** as those that begin "I was skeptical until I saw that ufo/ghost/bigfoot."

 

[Minoosh]

OK by the numbers:

I'm snipping a lot of your post because some of it I have no opinion on. No disrespect intended.

Simply put since Goldman Sachs represents about 24% of the DOW, it makes perfect sense to have someone from the firm in an advisory position on the economy.

I was trying to work out DOW as in ... Department of What? But maybe you mean Dow? Anyway, you document the pot-shots they have taken at each other, making both look bad, only to conclude the appointment "makes perfect sense." Not compellingly persuasive IMO.

2. Drain the Swamp. Here you are trying to sell fake news. Trump did not back away from this position or use of the phrase.

According to Newt Gingrich, he did. Which one is lying? Anyway, quoting a Trump surrogate is not "fake news."

4.Deport 'em all.
First we have to secure the border. It's too early to tell when the deportation effort will start as first we must secure the border.

Donald said that on Day One he would start rounding up criminal illegal immigrants. Of course Obama had been doing this like crazy. So apparently, deporting felons doesn't have to wait until the border is secured.

5.Lock her up.
This is not the job of the President. This now falls to the DOJ and Jeff Sessions who is a Trump appointee.

Obviously he is not going to personally prosecute her. He's not a lawyer. He said he would ask his AG to appoint a special prosecutor. Think he will? Also: The Department of Justice is part of the executive branch.

6. The Wall
Once again you're falling for fake news.

And you're falling for an empty claim. Much of the border is already fenced, walled or left as is due to formidable natural barriers. Trump says part of the "wall" may be a fence. Those terms are not synonyms. BTW a wall would not secure the border; have you ever seen it? Here's a look from National Geographic.

7.Muslim ban, will likely be reworded a bit to a ban of individuals from certain Countries that are temporarily suspended from immigrating into the US. A bit early to tell at this point what will be done.

Yes, this is one of many things Trump has "reworded." Ask yourself: Would you support a "temporary" ban on a Christian family trying to escape persecution in a Muslim country? Would you refuse to accept targets of genocide - Shia vs. Sunni, say? Or Sunni vs. Shia? How about this link from the Smithsonian about the U.S. refusing Jewish refugees during WWII? It shows the kinds of complications that arise.

10. H-1B visas, too early to tell where he'll go with those.

It's not too early to tell where he'll go with U.S. jobs. For a look at his actions from a friendly source, consider Fox News. (One of the sites that maybe you don't consider "fake news"; they posted it in their "food and drink" section). Why apply for visas for foreign farm workers? Seriously, why? And, Melania came in on an H-1B visa. Not enough U.S. citizen supermodels, apparently.

12. Secret plan to defeat ISIS, I don't think it's much of a secret.

It's not much of a promise, either. ISIS has been severely damaged under Obama's watch.

13.Increase tax on wealthy,
A bit early to see how Trump's tax plan will work. Massive cuts on business tax are assured. Lower taxes for the middle and lower taxes are likely.

Do the priorities there bother you at all? Definitely tax relief for rich, maybe tax relief for middle/working class?

 

[Minoosh]

Also from the Fox Food and Drink section :

As recently as July, the club (Mar-a-Lago) requested nearly 80 H-2B visas for housekeepers, waiters and cooks for the Palm Beach resort and for the Trump National Jupiter golf course, also in Florida.

In a presidential debate in March, Trump explained the need for hiring foreign workers at his Palm Beach property, saying, “it's very, very hard to get help.”

As recently as July, the club requested nearly 80 H-2B visas for housekeepers, waiters and cooks for the Palm Beach resort and for the Trump National Jupiter golf course, also in Florida

It's too bad Trump has such a low opinion of U.S. citizens, presuming they won't do honest work for a modest wage. If he paid more than $10/hour, maybe he could find Americans to do those jobs. But why spend the money, when you can undercut U.S. citizens with foreign workers?

 

[Mumbles]

You guys are free to believe in fairy tales but the facts don't support your beliefs. Fact is Black suspects being shot by White cops is publicized and White suspects being shot by White cops are usually not.

well, if you wish to change this, then get to work.

BTW, it was through black activists that I learned of Jeremy Mardis, who was white and killed by two black officers. The black activists quickly came out in favor of Mardis, although there were few rallies since the two cops were quickly arrested and prosecuted. They stood up for this homeless white guy, too.

Seems to me you're either complaining about national media, or about your own biases.

Many police shootings are done by non-White officers as well. Yet we don't seem to hear about those cases near as much as the White officer/Black suspect. Wonder why? It doesn't fit with the fantasy being sold by the hate groups.

You've never heard of Freddie Gray or Mark Lamont Scott? Both recent cases of black men killed by black cops, both set off major protests by activists. There was also Eric Garner, and the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr, where black police were on the scene, and activists didn't care one bit.

[In spite of what you've been sold, the police are the good guys and the criminals are the bad guys. If you don't want to die at the hand of a police officer, then don't be a criminal, and don't do anything to make the policeman shoot you. Easy.
Chris B.

How'd that work for Rekia Boyd, Philando Castille, Levar Jones, John Crawford III, Ayanna Jones, Darrien Hunt, Sean Bell, and Charles Kinsey, among many others? And those are just the folks who were shot or killed, never mind the wide number of assaults, tear gassings, false arrests, sexual assaults, and the like (the latest example was from 1-2 days ago when a cop arrested a black woman who had called him to because a white guy had choked out her son).

Come to think of it, there was no evidence that Freddie Grey did anything wrong when he was arrested, either.

 

[Resume]

Here's a Trump supporter who might be racist.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...n-2017/ar-BBxv2am?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15

Artvoice: What would you most like to happen in 2017?

Carl Paladino: Obama catches mad cow disease after being caught having relations with a Herford. He dies before his trial and is buried in a cow pasture next to Valerie Jarret, who died weeks prior, after being convicted of sedition and treason, when a Jihady cell mate mistook her for being a nice person and decapitated her.

Artvoice: What would you most like to see go in 2017?

Carl Paladino: Michelle Obama. I’d like her to return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla.

In a statement to The Post, Paladino denied that the comments were racist.

“It has nothing to do with race,” Paladino said. “That’s the typical stance of the press when they can’t otherwise defend the acts of the person being attacked.”

No wait, he isn't racist because he says so.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Back when we were talking about the candidates, I recall saying what Quadraginta is pointing out. As to the candidates, particularly Trump, the question is moot. Whether they are abject racists or are merely willing to give succor and safe harbor to abject racists by promoting and now promulgating their programs, it amounts to the same thing. The result will be racist policies and programs.

With a caveat, I think that applies to Trump supporters. They are either racists or are so self-serving (and have some other horse in the race) that they are willing to tolerate racism. The caveat is that there are sections of the country where there are so few blacks and so little exposure to blacks that there may legitimately be people out there who "don't see race as a problem". It doesn't speak too highly of their education or empathy, but I can see that as a possibility. You get a state like Nebraska, with a quarter of the national average of black population, and if you're not in Lincoln or Omaha you'd likely be able to walk off 5000 square miles and not encounter a black person. It's not in their immediate horizon; they just don't think about it and when they do, it's got about a 2 level of significance in their lives, on a 1-10 scale of importance.

 

[Mumbles]

Back when we were talking about the candidates, I recall saying what Quadraginta is pointing out. As to the candidates, particularly Trump, the question is moot. Whether they are abject racists or are merely willing to give succor and safe harbor to abject racists by promoting and now promulgating their programs, it amounts to the same thing. The result will be racist policies and programs.

Basically, "Is he Lester Maddox, or is he George Wallace?" In the end, they're both correctly known as staunch segregationists. In fact, one could argue that Wallace was even worse, since he embraced white supremacy just for political gain.

 

[varwoche]

If you lived anywhere near South Central KY, I'd invite you to share a meal with my family and myself. My multi-racial family.....LMAO, you Leftists and your false criticisms....pointing a finger and yelling "Racist!" every time someone doesn't agree with you. Time to look in the mirror, you're digging a dry well with this old boy.
Chris B.

A couple of problems... Nothing personal, but I'm dubious of anecdotes posted by anonymous personas on the internet. In addition, even if your anecdote is true, that doesn't inoculate you. No matter your personal circumstances, you've brazenly played the race card card, and it's highly unimpressive.

I view racism as an attack against ANY race of people, don't you?

I'm not on-board with your wording, but as to my understanding of your intent: Yes.

Now if only you'd answer my questions in a forthright manner.

 

[Hercules56]

One of Trump's biggest supporters in NY suggested that Barack should die from Mad Cow disease after raping a heffer, and Michele should "go back" to being a man and live with a gorilla in an African cave.

But no racism here.

 

[Resume]

One of Trump's biggest supporters in NY suggested that Barack should die from Mad Cow disease after raping a heffer, and Michele should "go back" to being a man and live with a gorilla in an African cave.

But no racism here.

See post #787.

 

[Hercules56]

Here's a Trump supporter who might be racist.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...n-2017/ar-BBxv2am?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15

No wait, he isn't racist because he says so.

Since when does being politically incorrect= racism?

 

[Agatha]

I am certain that everyone participating in this thread is capable of addressing arguments rather than attacking each other, and I'd be very pleased if more of you would demonstrate this ability.

Please try to remember your MA and concentrate on the arguments, not the arguers.

Thank you kindly.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha

 

[quadraginta]

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In spite of what you've been sold, the police are the good guys and the criminals are the bad guys. If you don't want to die at the hand of a police officer, then don't be a criminal, and don't do anything to make the policeman shoot you. Easy.
Chris B.

A class of actions which have been shown to include;

Not doing anything at all.

Doing what the officer told you to do.

Lying on your back in the middle of the street with both hands held up in the air.

Among others.

 

[quadraginta]

<snip>

With a caveat, I think that applies to Trump supporters. They are either racists or are so self-serving (and have some other horse in the race) that they are willing to tolerate racism. The caveat is that there are sections of the country where there are so few blacks and so little exposure to blacks that there may legitimately be people out there who "don't see race as a problem". It doesn't speak too highly of their education or empathy, but I can see that as a possibility. You get a state like Nebraska, with a quarter of the national average of black population, and if you're not in Lincoln or Omaha you'd likely be able to walk off 5000 square miles and not encounter a black person. It's not in their immediate horizon; they just don't think about it and when they do, it's got about a 2 level of significance in their lives, on a 1-10 scale of importance.

If they are so ignorant and uninformed as to be completely unaware that the issue exists at all then I doubt they will be voting at all.

Beyond that their ignorance can only be self-serving and willful. It isn't like it is something which is never discussed in the media.

They don't get a pass from me for mis-ordered priorities or being empathy deficient, either. Those characteristics are part of the problem.

 

[Foolmewunz]

If they are so ignorant and uninformed as to be completely unaware that the issue exists at all then I doubt they will be voting at all.

Beyond that their ignorance can only be self-serving and willful. It isn't like it is something which is never discussed in the media.

They don't get a pass from me for mis-ordered priorities or being empathy deficient, either. Those characteristics are part of the problem.

On the whole, I concur. I'm just thinking of the polls on issues where people list race relations or equal rights well down the list. If they think about it, they might care. They just don't think about it. I'm not excusing them, merely explaining them. Essentially this places them in the enablers group and represents a huge failiing in our civic awareness and education.

 

[varwoche]

Here's a Trump supporter who might be racist.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...n-2017/ar-BBxv2am?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15

No wait, he isn't racist because he says so.

Indeed.

I certainly am not a racist.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

A class of actions which have been shown to include;

Not doing anything at all.

Doing what the officer told you to do.

Lying on your back in the middle of the street with both hands held up in the air.

Among others.

Wow, I guess you're right. Cops are killing Blacks. White Supremies have taken over the US. Stupid people elected a White Supremie racist President.

So by those standards, it looks like we'll soon be back to slavery again as racists are taking over the US. I wonder how that happened?
Chris B.

 

[fuelair]

Wow, I guess you're right. Cops are killing Blacks. White Supremies have taken over the US. Stupid people elected a White Supremie racist President.

So by those standards, it looks like we'll soon be back to slavery again as racists are taking over the US. I wonder how that happened?
Chris B.

dead walking feces filled the ranks of Trumpoid zombies.......