Proof of Immortality, the IV league

[JoeMorgue]

But reincarnation is one of the alternatives under ~OOFLam. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, OOFLam is wrong.

Jabba... nobody cares about your made up term OOFLam. Everything you say where you reference it is meaningless. Your transparent attempts at turning "mortality" into some mathematical long shot by conjuring needless new terms for it have been debunked more times then even the most tolerant person would deem necessary.

 

[JayUtah]

But reincarnation is one of the alternatives under ~OOFLam.

The thought experiment is not reincarnation. And it's only a hypothetical, not something for which you have evidence. Sorry you've been sick, and I hope you feel better, but this is probably the most comical, frantic attempt at grabbing straws I've seen from you.

 

[marplots]

If you have two identical quarters in your pocket, do you have 25 cents or 50 cents?

Because the other one is!

 

[abaddon]

- I've been sick...

A new iteration of the "poor old man" apologetic. If you were really sick, my sympathies. I don't believe it though.

- But reincarnation is one of the alternatives under ~OOFLam. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, OOFLam is wrong.

Think about that. Only One Finite Life At Most. Your definition. You claim that this somehow is violated by reincarnation. You will have to explain that. There is no evidence that reincarnation happens anywhere, ever. How can the observed facts be obviated by something that has been observed nowhere at any time?

 

[Loss Leader]

Think about that. Only One Finite Life At Most. Your definition. You claim that this somehow is violated by reincarnation. You will have to explain that. There is no evidence that reincarnation happens anywhere, ever. How can the observed facts be obviated by something that has been observed nowhere at any time?

And back around we go to the desperate plea that some story that appears in a book about NDEs might show some small sliver of evidence that the immaterial soul exists.

"Please," Jabba will beg, "Please agree that souls exist so I can prove souls exist."

 

[aleCcowaN]

"Please," Jabba will beg, "Please agree that souls exist so I can prove souls exist."

Isn't Jabba the reincarnation of Euclides? That way he could say "let's postulate all right angles are equal to one another and souls exist"

 

[Dancing David]

- But reincarnation is one of the alternatives under ~OOFLam. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, OOFLam is wrong.

If the Devil wears Prada then angels at the Pinhead disco have no shoes.

 

[Loss Leader]

And back around we go to the desperate plea that some story that appears in a book about NDEs might show some small sliver of evidence that the immaterial soul exists.

"Please," Jabba will beg, "Please agree that souls exist so I can prove souls exist."

Okay, it looks like we'll be taking a short break for Christmas.

If it is a matter of Jabba's health, I certainly wish him a speedy recovery. His philosophies are hopelessly borked, but my understanding is he's a kindly old man with children and grandchildren in upstate New York. Wishing him well.

 

[abaddon]

Okay, it looks like we'll be taking a short break for Christmas.

If it is a matter of Jabba's health, I certainly wish him a speedy recovery. His philosophies are hopelessly borked, but my understanding is he's a kindly old man with children and grandchildren in upstate New York. Wishing him well.

I doubt anyone bears ill will to jabba, just his idiotic ideas. But goodwill to all. Tis the season and what have you. Shut up, shut down and enjoy whatever time you have.

 

[Jabba]

I didn't say producing a copy of myself would result in reincarnation. I said it would feel like reincarnation to the copy, because the copy would be identical to the original. It would look like reincarnation to everyone but the original, because the copy would be identical to the original.

Even the original could never be sure that he was the original, just as I cannot be sure I was not replaced by a copy with my memories sometime last night, or even within the last 15 seconds. I can be pretty confident that didn't happen because the technology to do such a thing doesn't exist, but if it did, I would not be able to tell if I were the original or a copy.

Regardless, an identical copy is a separate object from the original. If you have two identical quarters in your pocket, do you have 25 cents or 50 cents?

Dave,

- I didn't understand what you meant...

- Anyway, one step at a time.
- Do you accept that even if your self is only an illusion or process, it is still real? Your brain/body is alive, and it produces, or receives, a sense of continuous self?

 

[godless dave]

Dave,

- I didn't understand what you meant...

- Anyway, one step at a time.
- Do you accept that even if your self is only an illusion or process, it is still real? Your brain/body is alive, and it produces, or receives, a sense of continuous self?

Under H, it produces it.

 

[The Sparrow]

Dave,

- I didn't understand what you meant...

- Anyway, one step at a time.
- Do you accept that even if your self is only an illusion or process, it is still real? Your brain/body is alive, and it produces, or receives, a sense of continuous self?

(emphasis mine)
You realize, those 2 options, "produces or receives", are as opposite from each other as can be. OR are you just trying to sneak it in?

 

[aleCcowaN]

(emphasis mine)
You realize, those 2 options, "produces or receives", are as opposite from each other as can be. OR are you just trying to sneak it in?

He's doing the famous Jabbastic Trinity.

1. Duhhh!!! I didn't understand your well laid, logical and sound argument
2. But this concept I need blurred
3. You DO agree it is a way you may accept and/or kaplan! the holly spirit, don't you?

 

[John Jones]

Dave,

- I didn't understand what you meant...

[...]

Is there a name for a fallacy where one pleads ignorance, but still claims argumental integrity

 

[JayUtah]

Dave,

- I didn't understand what you meant...

- Anyway, one step at a time.
- Do you accept that even if your self is only an illusion or process, it is still real? Your brain/body is alive, and it produces, or receives, a sense of continuous self?

Under H, the sense of self is an emergent property of the organism. It is real. That does not mean it's tangible or a countable entity. It's a property. Properties are real, but they aren't things. Stop trying to equivocate up a definition du jour that just begs the same question in a new way.

 

[JayUtah]

Is there a name for a fallacy where one pleads ignorance, but still claims argumental integrity

It's not so much a fallacy as it is the rhetorical technique of stonewalling.

 

[Jabba]

Dave,

- I didn't understand what you meant...

- Anyway, one step at a time.
- Do you accept that even if your self is only an illusion or process, it is still real? Your brain/body is alive, and it produces, or receives, a sense of continuous self?

Under H, it produces it.

- But, duplication of your brain would not reproduce the same sense of self? You would no longer be living -- it would be somebody else. And, you would never exist again.

 

[godless dave]

- But, duplication of your brain would not reproduce the same sense of self? You would no longer be living -- it would be somebody else. And, you would never exist again.

Yes. Just like my brain would never exist again. Because two identical things are two things, not one.

 

[marplots]

- But, duplication of your brain would not reproduce the same sense of self? You would no longer be living -- it would be somebody else. And, you would never exist again.

What could that mean, when part of our sense of self is being embodied in the present moment uniquely?

 

[JayUtah]

- But, duplication of your brain would not reproduce the same sense of self? You would no longer be living -- it would be somebody else. And, you would never exist again.

The sense of self is not a distinct, countable thing under H. You need to get out of that mindset. No matter how much you tap dance, the self under H is not a soul.