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tyr_13 said:
I said this in a discussion about who would get what positions after the election; why would Trump give them anything after he got elected? Trump no longer needs anything from them. They gave him what he wanted, so he now has no reason to give them anything they want. It's the same way he treated his contractors and other hired firms. Once he's got his, he feels no obligation to provide what he promised or would be expected from a human.

What's in it for Trump? Nothing. He doesn't care about governing well or sharing political power to help the party. Just himself.
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Wait a minute. Are you actually criticizing Trump for not giving his sycophants plum jobs in his administration? I can pretty much predict what you would have said if he had. I doubt he can do anything right in your view.

By the way, he threw Christie under the bus because new information came out which showed that Christie deserved to be thrown under the bus. Are you going to give him credit for that? Or for not choosing Rudy for SOS even though Rudy desperately wanted the job? Rudy's international conflicts of interest were evidently too much to stomach (well, that and the fact that he strikes me as unsuited for any job requiring diplomatic skills).
 
Donald Trump: US must greatly expand nuclear weapons

Donald Trump has called for the US to "greatly strengthen and expand" its nuclear arsenal.

The president-elect, who takes office next month, said the US must take such action "until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes".

Mr Trump's announcement, which came via Twitter, was published in a string of several tweets on Thursday morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027

Things could get interesting
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump: US must greatly expand nuclear weapons

Donald Trump has called for the US to "greatly strengthen and expand" its nuclear arsenal.

The president-elect, who takes office next month, said the US must take such action "until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes".
Mr Trump's announcement, which came via Twitter, was published in a string of several tweets on Thursday morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027

Things could get interesting
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I wonder how he would define "come to their senses." It's easy enough to imagine other countries saying exactly the same thing about everyone else, then everyone has more nukes than sense. Haven't we been here before?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump: US must greatly expand nuclear weapons

Donald Trump has called for the US to "greatly strengthen and expand" its nuclear arsenal.

The president-elect, who takes office next month, said the US must take such action "until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes".

Mr Trump's announcement, which came via Twitter, was published in a string of several tweets on Thursday morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027

Things could get interesting
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He wants to spend money on something we have more than enough of and won't ever use the ones we have now. Does he think nukes are Trump golf courses?
 
Perhaps one of his supporters can look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucle...ited_States_strategic_nuclear_weapons_arsenal

And explain what part of the US nuclear capability is so lacking as to require expansion. Again demonstrating he's utterly clueless about how foreign policy works, you don't reduce the number of nuclear arms in the world by saying 'We'll get rid of them after everyone else does'.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Wait a minute. Are you actually criticizing Trump for not giving his sycophants plum jobs in his administration? I can pretty much predict what you would have said if he had. I doubt he can do anything right in your view.

By the way, he threw Christie under the bus because new information came out which showed that Christie deserved to be thrown under the bus. Are you going to give him credit for that? Or for not choosing Rudy for SOS even though Rudy desperately wanted the job? Rudy's international conflicts of interest were evidently too much to stomach (well, that and the fact that he strikes me as unsuited for any job requiring diplomatic skills).
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I'm describing what he does, and yes, I'm critical of why he does it, but I wasn't actually actively trying to criticize him in the last post, just describe.

I will now though. Being best for the position or country is not the criteria he is using, which is what I'm most critical of. I'm also critical of his constant use and betrayal of people, but would forgive it (it is politics after all) if it were for some greater good. But because he motives are so selfish and base, I won't make excuses for them.

I described why he did what he did and how it relates to this thinking. That must seem very critical when it's Trump being talked about.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Ala. officials apologize for cutting down tree for Trump rally.

Not just any tree, a beautiful old growth cedar from one of the city parks. :jaw-dropp



Repurposed into what, firewood? Maybe they can make a couple conference tables out of it for city hall.

Really really sad.
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Trees are a renewable resource, and so called "old growth" cedars are a dime a dozen. "Re-purposing" is certainly nothing new, or bad.

Cedar can be a wonderful wood to work with if you know what you are doing. It's weather resistance makes it ideal for outdoor projects. I recently cut down two on my property and I'm using the lumber to make some benches for the range I'm building out back.

Maybe Trump called the town in question and told them to cut that tree down, but I doubt it, as he's somewhat busy these days. The man has enough real flaws to criticize, and this silly tree thing is not one of them.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump: US must greatly expand nuclear weapons

Donald Trump has called for the US to "greatly strengthen and expand" its nuclear arsenal.

The president-elect, who takes office next month, said the US must take such action "until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes".

Mr Trump's announcement, which came via Twitter, was published in a string of several tweets on Thursday morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027

Things could get interesting
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Yea, well who said this??

"We need to strengthen the military potential of strategic nuclear forces, especially with missile complexes that can reliably penetrate any existing and prospective missile defense system"
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That would be the actual new POTUS. Vladmir Putin.

Said that today.

How adorable.
 
NoahFence said:
Yea, well who said this??



That would be the actual new POTUS. Vladmir Putin.

Said that today.

How adorable.
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I remember how I grew up. I was one of those kids with the "nuclear nightmares". I frequently was grateful that my son did not grow up in such a world.

Until now, it seems.
 
NoahFence said:
That would be the actual new POTUS. Vladmir Putin.
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Meadmaker said:
I remember how I grew up. I was one of those kids with the "nuclear nightmares". I frequently was grateful that my son did not grow up in such a world.

Until now, it seems.
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I wonder now about the accuracy of calling Trump "Leader of the Free World." That was a phrase used against the counterweight of the USSR and "Red China." Yet now he loves Russia; he particularly loves rich Russians, who I'm inclined to see as gangsters. Re: China, the lack of freedom there is a non-topic; it's not human rights but perceived unfair trade practices that makes them the enemy. Triangulating, I'm seeing an alliance of Trump and Putin vs. the CCP. And I don't think that makes him leader of the free world. So who is? Does that phrase mean something? I've often thought well of Angela Merkel, but she's had it rough lately. The UK has withdrawn from a leadership role.

Is there "a free world" anymore; was there ever? I was a very late Baby Boomer, but the phrase still seemed to mean something even as I grew up in the '60s and '70s. Propaganda? Possibly.

I'm not sure there is a leader of the free world. There probably was, in the '50s and, with some bumps, through to the '90s. But now? It doesn't mean much.
 
Meadmaker said:
I remember how I grew up. I was one of those kids with the "nuclear nightmares". I frequently was grateful that my son did not grow up in such a world.



Until now, it seems.
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I joined the CAF in 1986, and like many teenagers with no experience often wondered how we'd measure up against the Soviets. Then came the fall of the Berlin Wall, the breakup of the Warsaw Pact, Tiannamon Square, and the splintering of Yugoslavia to let me realize that this was not in anyway a safer place, except for the continuing nuclear de-escalation. The next 20 odd years keep reinforcing that the world is a collection of tribal groups that were seemingly only kept away from each other's throats by the threat of nuclear fire throughout the Cold War, the inability of the small groups to get nukes, and the ability of the large blocks to do what no other groups had ever done in human history and NOT used these weapons that they had developed.

And now really I get this feeling that the only thing that's stopping me from having the same concerns about the Russians (nee Soviets) and nukes as I did at the start of my career is, the professionalism of Russian and American missile officers....
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump: US must greatly expand nuclear weapons

Donald Trump has called for the US to "greatly strengthen and expand" its nuclear arsenal.

The president-elect, who takes office next month, said the US must take such action "until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes".

Mr Trump's announcement, which came via Twitter, was published in a string of several tweets on Thursday morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027

Things could get interesting
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Shouldn't the one saving grace of his desire to be shamelessly sycophantic to Putin be a reduction in nuclear arms. Why do both countries need to increase their arsenal if the relationship is supposed to be amicable and not adversarial?
 
Stacko said:
Shouldn't the one saving grace of his desire to be shamelessly sycophantic to Putin be a reduction in nuclear arms.
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Sure.

But to be fair, Russia is not the only other nuclear power, and Trump referenced "the world" coming to its senses, not just Russia. He may have been thinking of Iran, among others, as possible nuclear threats.

Not meaning to defend his stance, just trying to clarify it.
 
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