Are all Trump supporters racists?

[kookbreaker]

When someone talks about state by state, to see how blue or red our Country is, I think it's easier to see county by county of the US to determine exactly how blue or how red we really are.

Surface Area really impresses you, huh?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I know its the only thing you guys have on him, but don't you think it gets a bit tired using that bit all the time for the past, what, 7 years?

That's just a memorable favorite. Like George HW Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes"

Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Surface Area really impresses you, huh?

Yea it does, it's ok though, I realize given your position you're unconcerned about those in the middle flyover regions.........and that's a weakness that will cost, scratch that, has cost you many seats in Government. Chris B.

 

[kookbreaker]

That's just a memorable favorite. Like George HW Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes"

Chris B.

Yeah, except Bush added new taxes. Even so, most people stopped using that quote it well after his new taxes.

Obama only managed to get health care to 20 million people who didn't have it.

 

[bruto]

I believe the US is more than it has been portrayed to be in the press. Racism exists sure, but not as extreme as it has been played up to be. No, there aren't White cops targeting Black men. The issue of race has become one of campaign tactics. The separation of race is of particular interest to one of the parties involved. It's wrong, and that's one reason why that candidate of that party lost the election. Perhaps I have a different view than some, but I feel we must treat everyone equally and not try to take political power away from anyone because of their skin color, whatever that color may be.
Chris B.

On the surface that statement is hard to argue with, but I think you are mistaken in who has done what in real life where racism and racial division are concerned. I would suggest that there is evidence that there are cops, whether white or not, targeting black men. The situation may be more complex and nuanced than some people are willing to admit, but it is not nothing. Trump's history as a segregationist landlord, his disparaging comments about other ethnic groups, his outrageously stupid Obama birther nonsense, and so forth, do not fill me with confidence that he is the man to end racism. I'll leave it at that. I think we agree to a great extent on what ought to be done, but our perception of what is being done is quite at variance.

 

[Resume]

When someone talks about state by state, to see how blue or red our Country is, I think it's easier to see county by county of the US to determine exactly how blue or how red we really are.

You have hope Trump will fail, I get it. Though there's no evidence of failure yet......you can still hope for it though. Chris B.

I've participated in POTUS elections since Carter and watched things swing back and forth. I'd bet this latest swing will correct in four years, whether it be the executive or the legislative or perhaps both.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Yeah, except Bush added new taxes. Even so, most people stopped using that quote it well after his new taxes.

Obama only managed to get health care to 20 million people who didn't have it.

"Read my lips" is still alive and well.


Certainly Obama got a lot of folks insured and many for free. Unfortunately, my deductible went from $1000 (one thousand) to $13,000 (thirteen thousand) and my policy cost increased about $60 (sixty dollars) per week.
Exactly "who" is paying for those folks to have coverage now? Me certainly, and those like me who paid their fair share to begin with. I have a problem with that and I'm not alone.
Chris B.

 

[Resume]

"Read my lips" is still alive and well.


Certainly Obama got a lot of folks insured and many for free. Unfortunately, my deductible went from $1000 (one thousand) to $13,000 (thirteen thousand) and my policy cost increased about $60 (sixty dollars) per week.
Exactly "who" is paying for those folks to have coverage now? Me certainly, and those like me who paid their fair share to begin with. I have a problem with that and I'm not alone.
Chris B.

Health care costs have been jacking up for decades, Obamacare or not. If you want a better health care system with better results, there are a number of example nations to choose from. Maybe instead of being obstructionist, the idiot legislature might have given those plans a lookeelou?

By the way, you seem to have a terribly ****** plan yourself.

 

[kookbreaker]

"Read my lips" is still alive and well.

As a meme, maybe. People mostly forget what made it stand out beyond Bush's delivery. It certainly wasn't used in a desperate attempt to whine about the man seven years down the road.

Certainly Obama got a lot of folks insured and many for free. Unfortunately, my deductible went from $1000 (one thousand) to $13,000 (thirteen thousand) and my policy cost increased about $60 (sixty dollars) per week.
Exactly "who" is paying for those folks to have coverage now? Me certainly, and those like me who paid their fair share to begin with. I have a problem with that and I'm not alone.
Chris B.

Did you shop around? Look at new plans? Or were you determined to keep your plan just to complain about it? I haven't been in love with any heathcare plan since the 90's and I have found searching a bit can change a lot.

As for paying for it: Got news for you: You are going to pay for the uninsured one way or another - unless you never, ever use any medical facilities.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Wow, you really do live in a bubble. I'm sure you've sold yourself the false belief that all Conservatives and Trump supporters are racists......What if you're wrong?
Chris B.

You guys keep throwing up that worn-out disingenuous straw man because you simply can't deal honestly with what's actually being said, and then you say I live in a bubble? Sad.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

On the surface that statement is hard to argue with, but I think you are mistaken in who has done what in real life where racism and racial division are concerned. I would suggest that there is evidence that there are cops, whether white or not, targeting black men. The situation may be more complex and nuanced than some people are willing to admit, but it is not nothing. Trump's history as a segregationist landlord, his disparaging comments about other ethnic groups, his outrageously stupid Obama birther nonsense, and so forth, do not fill me with confidence that he is the man to end racism. I'll leave it at that. I think we agree to a great extent on what ought to be done, but our perception of what is being done is quite at variance.

We are also in agreement about the birther issue. It was stupid and pointless. Even if Obama was born outside the US, it makes no difference if he was or wasn't. Obama's mother was indeed a US citizen and wherever she happened to give birth, he is still an American born citizen.

I think the whole movement was to catch Obama in a lie. It was brought upon himself though as he tended to boast about being Kenyan born during his University of Chicago tenure. He can deny it after the fact, but it still happened. And that was stupid as well. Cause and effect.

I have hope Trump will bring jobs to the inner cities. No place in the Country is hurting any worse than these forgotten urban areas. Detroit and Flint would be good places to start. As people are brought out of poverty, they may actually concentrate on other things like where they're planning to go on vacation this year, rather than the color of the skin their neighbor is wrapped in and why is he doing better than we are. Chris B.

 

[Resume]

I think the whole movement was to catch Obama in a lie. It was brought upon himself though as he tended to boast about being Kenyan born during his University of Chicago tenure. He can deny it after the fact, but it still happened. And that was stupid as well. Cause and effect.

No.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

The editor of the biographical text about Barack Obama which was included in the booklet maintained that the mention of Kenya was an error on her part and was not based on any information provided to her by Obama himself:

And:

As noted above, the biographical sketch pictured above was put out by a literacy agency; it was not part of any yearbook published by Harvard.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Health care costs have been jacking up for decades, Obamacare or not. If you want a better health care system with better results, there are a number of example nations to choose from. Maybe instead of being obstructionist, the idiot legislature might have given those plans a lookeelou?

By the way, you seem to have a terribly ****** plan yourself.

No doubt it sucks. We aren't given the option to shop around much as I'm insured thru an Employer. We can choose between an HMO plan and a few other options. I tend to pick the best coverage as I know any major medical treatment can get expensive.

Seems a sham though that unless we have a major medical issue arise, we pay all Dr. visits out of pocket. (well until it get past 13 grand, then the insurance kicks in) The $10 copay on prescriptions helps though, I'll give them that, and only that. Chris B.

 

[Resume]

No doubt it sucks. We aren't given the option to shop around much as I'm insured thru an Employer. We can choose between an HMO plan and a few other options. I tend to pick the best coverage as I know any major medical treatment can get expensive.

Seems a sham though that unless we have a major medical issue arise, we pay all Dr. visits out of pocket. (well until it get past 13 grand, then the insurance kicks in) The $10 copay on prescriptions helps though, I'll give them that, and only that. Chris B.

No other options?

 

[shuttlt]

I would suggest that there is evidence that there are cops, whether white or not, targeting black men. The situation may be more complex and nuanced than some people are willing to admit, but it is not nothing.

It seems to me that given the multiple factors involved, the preponderance emotional driven arguments, and the data analysis required, most people aren't able to/won't check it for themselves. What time I have been able to spend on it leads me to believe I would have to spend a significant amount of time to feel confident that I was right. Short of doing that, one is reliant on the honesty of ones own side. The people who fail to admit nuance just play into the hands of the opposition by putting forward claims and justifications that are easily shown to be false, at least within the terms by which the other side understands the debate. It just depresses the **** out of me when Democrats, the left, etc... do that. My Democrat friends post them on Facebook again and again, never checking or questioning them.

Given the above, I have no problem empathising with someone who believes that at a statistical level there is no targeting of black men by cops, that it is simply a consequence of differential levels of violent crime, that BLM, Obama and Hillary have knowingly lied about this and fed racial tension for their own ends. I have a very hard time believing that any but a tiny fraction of Hillary supporters have actually crunched the numbers themselves.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

No.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp


And:

I've seen that. I have no knowledge of what he did at Harvard, only what he said and did while at the law school in Chicago. Chris B.

 

[Resume]

I've seen that. I have no knowledge of what he did at Harvard, only what he said and did while at the law school in Chicago. Chris B.

Anecdotes?

Please don't link that fakety-fake YouTube video.

 

[WilliamSeger]

You have hope Trump will fail, I get it. Though there's no evidence of failure yet......you can still hope for it though. Chris B.

That's because you think I'm the opposite side of your coin. Trump is going to hurt this country very badly, and no sane US citizen would hope for such a thing. My only real hope at this point is that we can limit the damage to two years.

 

[Resume]

On the surface that statement is hard to argue with, but I think you are mistaken in who has done what in real life where racism and racial division are concerned. I would suggest that there is evidence that there are cops, whether white or not, targeting black men. The situation may be more complex and nuanced than some people are willing to admit, but it is not nothing. Trump's history as a segregationist landlord, his disparaging comments about other ethnic groups, his outrageously stupid Obama birther nonsense, and so forth, do not fill me with confidence that he is the man to end racism. I'll leave it at that. I think we agree to a great extent on what ought to be done, but our perception of what is being done is quite at variance.

One only needs to go back a month to that ghastly ape in heels Facebook comments between those two idiots in VA to understand just how off-hand and casual this kind of racism is.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

No other options?

Not with this company. Employer plans tend to be cheaper but I may look into external options in the next few months. Something needs to give somewhere my healthcare cost vs benefit is a joke (until I start having heart attacks etc). Chris B.