Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

MicahJava said:
Well what's gonna happen now? Are we just gonna let them get away with that?
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Just don't let it be forgotten. Ziggi Zugam posts on this forum all the time and he's elected himself the official spokesperson of the study. Badger him about it at every turn.

Short of that, there's nothing else you can do.
 
traxy said:
Just don't let it be forgotten. Ziggi Zugam posts on this forum all the time and he's elected himself the official spokesperson of the study. Badger him about it at every turn.

Short of that, there's nothing else you can do.
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I notice with great interest that AE911Truth apparently no longer uses the "active thermitic material" nonsense to argue their pet topic "WTC 7":
http://www.ae911truth.org/images/PDFs/AIA-Mailer--Reply-Card.pdf

This new AIA proposal has no less than 17 items that they deem suspicious - no mention of thermite or incendiaries.

Contrast this with their previous frontpage claims:
http://www1.ae911truth.org/en
"In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
  1. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
  2. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
  3. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples
"​

Perhaps Ziggi and Basile got the message that the thermite hoax is too hot of an issue, no longer credible, and better never mentioned again. ;)
 
Oystein said:
I notice with great interest that AE911Truth apparently no longer uses the "active thermitic material" nonsense to argue their pet topic "WTC 7":
http://www.ae911truth.org/images/PDFs/AIA-Mailer--Reply-Card.pdf

This new AIA proposal has no less than 17 items that they deem suspicious - no mention of thermite or incendiaries.
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A reaction to whatever it is that is going to end up in the final Hulsey report perhaps?

Hard to say since the open and shared data promised has not exactly been forthcoming.
 
Mark F said:
A reaction to whatever it is that is going to end up in the final Hulsey report perhaps?

Hard to say since the open and shared data promised has not exactly been forthcoming.
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IMO, there is no demonstrable connection, either way, between a dust study and a structural fire performance study.

If there is thermite in the dust, that does not prove WTC7 was demolished.
If there was no thermite in the dust, that does not prove WTC7 wasn't demolished.
And vice versa. Etc.
 
What are the procedures for reporting a possible scam if the person's identity is out in the open? I doubt that it's an actual scam, but someone or something has to be poked to see if it's still alive.
 
MicahJava said:
What are the procedures for reporting a possible scam if the person's identity is out in the open? I doubt that it's an actual scam, but someone or something has to be poked to see if it's still alive.
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Call the police. While you're at it, why not present them with the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job too? They'll definitely want to investigate that.

Dave
 
MicahJava said:
What are the procedures for reporting a possible scam if the person's identity is out in the open? I doubt that it's an actual scam, but someone or something has to be poked to see if it's still alive.
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Thermite is a scam on gullible people, as is the CD fantasy. Report yourself to the FBI for spreading lies which inspire terrorists like the Boston bombers. It is sad people are fooled by 9/11 truth lies of CD and thermite. Go test the dust, oops we found iron and aluminum; OMG, at levels indicative of the soil - Fooled by old men with delusions of an inside job. Was it political, or just BS to make old men lie and fool the gullible non-science CT prone followers of 9/11 truth

Got to get stuff from Santa, an 8 core i7 with a M.2 boot, or Nikon D5...
 
LSSBB said:
To quote Modest Mouse,

"A fake Jamaican took every last dime with that scam
It was worth it just to learn some sleight of hand"
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A fool and his money will always be parted.
I made a bunch of money off people dumb enough to play my game, the difference is I let them know it was my game.
People will place preconceived notions, and pride over wisdom every day of the week.
No problem here with someone sheering the Lamb.
 
MicahJava said:
What are the procedures for reporting a possible scam if the person's identity is out in the open? I doubt that it's an actual scam,...
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I doubt it is a scam - whatever that means at law. Could be fraud which as I understand it under US statue can be either a civil or a criminal jurisdiction action.

Alternatively there could be grounds for civil action for breach of contract.

In both instances - fraud or breach of contract - the standing to take civil action would lie with those who made monetary contributions in expectation of some service being provided. If they - singly or multiply - do not want to take action I doubt there is basis for action by third parties.

And I don't see a public prosecutor taking action in the criminal jurisdiction without a complaint from the "injured" party.

Disclaimer: I'm not qualified to practice law in any US jurisdiction.
MicahJava said:
.... but someone or something has to be poked to see if it's still alive.
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Maybe but why?
 
ozeco41 said:
I doubt it is a scam - whatever that means at law. Could be fraud which as I understand it under US statue can be either a civil or a criminal jurisdiction action.

Alternatively there could be grounds for civil action for breach of contract.

In both instances - fraud or breach of contract - the standing to take civil action would lie with those who made monetary contributions in expectation of some service being provided. If they - singly or multiply - do not want to take action I doubt there is basis for action by third parties.

And I don't see a public prosecutor taking action in the criminal jurisdiction without a complaint from the "injured" party.

Disclaimer: I'm not qualified to practice law in any US jurisdiction.
Maybe but why?
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To the truth movement followers, for one lousy, Double hooked Semi Load of platinum, I will
100% prove the thermite- thermate theory.:D
 
My sympathies go out to Mark Basile.

An unassuming chemist who innocently began studying the September 11th, 2001 debris from the World Trade Center.

Money and infamy are a ridiculous fit for his goals then and an even greater misfit now.

What he could not and did not anticipate, was the level of attention his research would receive.

If he had the benefit of working in anonymity like his critics, I am sure his work would have been completed and reported long ago.
 
Criteria said:
My sympathies go out to Mark Basile.
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Me too. My sympathies for anyone falling for any 9/11/01 conspiracy nonsense, including you Criteria.

An unassuming chemist who innocently began studying the September 11th, 2001 debris from the World Trade Center.


Money and infamy are a ridiculous fit for his goals then and an even greater misfit now.
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What were those goals again?

What he could not and did not anticipate, was the level of attention his research would receive
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I don't know about that. In fact it's pretty common for anyone to be held accountable for not carrying out a promise, especially when money is involved.

If he had the benefit of working in anonymity like his critics, I am sure his work would have been completed and reported long ago.
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:confused::confused::confused:

EXACTLY how has his name being known interfered with his ability to carry out the promised project?

<< goes to get popcorn, this should be good>>
 
Criteria said:
My sympathies go out to Mark Basile.

An unassuming chemist who innocently began studying the September 11th, 2001 debris from the World Trade Center.

Money and infamy are a ridiculous fit for his goals then and an even greater misfit now.

What he could not and did not anticipate, was the level of attention his research would receive.

If he had the benefit of working in anonymity like his critics, I am sure his work would have been completed and reported long ago.
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