Are all Trump supporters racists?

[blutoski]

The first American (colonists, really) Christians didn't think much of Christmas.

In fact, that famous George Washington [crossing the Delaware] was on Christmas, because the Germans celebrated the holiday and American Colonists didn't; so a good time to catch them unprepared.

At the time of the War of Independence, Christmas was explicitly Un-American.

As was putting religious phrases on the currency, things like "In God We Trust." But here we are.

 

[ponderingturtle]

LOL I think Christmas deserves a little Constitutional protection. I don't think it'll be that extreme though. Perhaps the folks in Indiana could negotiate that a big red "A" replace the cross on top of their tree?

All Holidays Matter.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

The first American (colonists, really) Christians didn't think much of Christmas.

I'm quite certain there are many differences in tradition and values when you compare the Pilgrims to today's society. Can you imagine what a Pilgrim would think if one could walk into a grocery store today? Chris B.

 

[blutoski]

I'm quite certain there are many differences in tradition and values when you compare the Pilgrims to today's society. Can you imagine what a Pilgrim would think if one could walk into a grocery store today? Chris B.

Agreed. Which is why "we should run our country like the Framers ran it in 1789" is fraught with cherry picking.

"I meant this part, not that part," means "I want to run the country my way, I'm just citing the Framers for jingoistic reasons."

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

All Holidays Matter.

They certainly do. So if someone wishes to put up a holy potato vine to celebrate the birth of Saint Idaho, I will not be offended in the least. I may giggle a little bit at the sight of it, but I will certainly not deny them their right to celebrate their holy time while they worship a potato. Chris B.

 

[Resume]

They certainly do. So if someone wishes to put up a holy potato vine to celebrate the birth of Saint Idaho, I will not be offended in the least. I may giggle a little bit at the sight of it, but I will certainly not deny them their right to celebrate their holy time while they worship a potato. Chris B.

As has been stated a jillion times, individuals can celebrate anything they want as guaranteed by the first. The problem when the gov't attempts to endorse, which violates the first.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Agreed. Which is why "we should run our country like the Framers ran it in 1789" is fraught with cherry picking.

"I meant this part, not that part," means "I want to run the country my way, I'm just citing the Framers for jingoistic reasons."

That's getting into a slippery area. One can agree that some parts need amending from time to time, but not to the point of deletion of certain rights......

Some of those rights were viewed to be bestowed upon us by God. Let's not limit those out of existence. Chris B.

 

[kookbreaker]

I'm quite certain there are many differences in tradition and values when you compare the Pilgrims to today's society. Can you imagine what a Pilgrim would think if one could walk into a grocery store today? Chris B.

He'd probably stare at the light bulbs. Not the point. The point is you are saying Xmas deserves Constitutional Protection becuase of a 'American Tradition' that isn't as old as traditional as they think. WHat they are actually seeking is extra privelges that come at the expense of other relgious beliefs. To get away with this you pretend to be oppressed and come up with junk like 'War on Christmas'.

 

[varwoche]

Fixed it for you, in order to fit the scenario:

They certainly do. So if someone a government body wishes to put up a holy potato vine to celebrate the birth of Saint Idaho, I will not be offended in the least. I may giggle a little bit at the sight of it, but I will certainly not deny them their right to celebrate their holy time while they worship a potato. Chris B.

 

[ponderingturtle]

They certainly do. So if someone wishes to put up a holy potato vine to celebrate the birth of Saint Idaho, I will not be offended in the least. I may giggle a little bit at the sight of it, but I will certainly not deny them their right to celebrate their holy time while they worship a potato. Chris B.

And you will pay for it. Just like the municipal christmas stuff.

 

[Resume]

Some of those rights were viewed to be bestowed upon us by God. Let's not limit those out of existence. Chris B.

God is not mentioned anywhere in the founding documents, especially a christian one. A creator was, which might be more aligned with the deist position which more aligns with the enlightenment values that inform the founding documents.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

As has been stated a jillion times, individuals can celebrate anything they want as guaranteed by the first. The problem when the gov't attempts to endorse, which violates the first.

Nope, it's not an endorsement to have Christmas decorations. A few decorations on the square does not nationalize a certain religion.

My wife is Buddhist, yet we have a Christmas tree. Nobody is offended here by a few decorations. She's also not offended by decorations on the town square. So if they decorate it with a tree, cross or a potato, she's fine with it.
Chris B.

 

[WilliamSeger]

This makes it clear what Trump supporters mean by, "Take America Back" and "Make America Great Again,"

Take it back from those uppity ******* who are gettno stuff they don't deserve.

Hey, is that your graphic? Can I steal a copy?

EDIT: Oops, quoted wrong post. Should be:

Look what happens when black is substituted for average American.

[imgw=640]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/rfstack/000_1.jpg[/imgw]

This seems to be a larger problem than Trump voters. White America disproportionately doesn't view African Americans as average Americans. Trump is a symptom of a much larger problem.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

God is not mentioned anywhere in the founding documents, especially a christian one. A creator was, which might be more aligned with the deist position which more aligns with the enlightenment values that inform the founding documents.

I think if you view the Declaration of Independence you'll find you are severely mistaken. Chris B.

 

[Resume]

Nope, it's not an endorsement to have Christmas decorations. A few decorations on the square does not nationalize a certain religion.

Nope, a cross has been determined to be a religious endorsement. In fact, the town next to the one I used to live was ordered to remove it from their water tower.

My wife is Buddhist, yet we have a Christmas tree. Nobody is offended here by a few decorations. She's also not offended by decorations on the town square. So if they decorate it with a tree, cross or a potato, she's fine with it.
Chris B.

A cross is not just a decoration.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

He'd probably stare at the light bulbs. Not the point. The point is you are saying Xmas deserves Constitutional Protection becuase of a 'American Tradition' that isn't as old as traditional as they think. WHat they are actually seeking is extra privelges that come at the expense of other relgious beliefs. To get away with this you pretend to be oppressed and come up with junk like 'War on Christmas'.

Enjoy your time off this Holiday season. Remember to thank a Christian for your paid time off work.......Chris B.

 

[Resume]

I think if you view the Declaration of Independence you'll find you are severely mistaken. Chris B.

I'm speaking of the Constitution. If you didn't get that, my mistake.* The christian god of course is not explicitly mentioned in the Declaration, just "Nature's god, Creator, and Divine Providence."


*Perhaps not.

 

[kookbreaker]

Enjoy your time off this Holiday season. Remember to thank a Christian for your paid time off work.......Chris B.

I get a Sunday off after working 7 days a week for the past month.

hooray, thanks christians.......





Serious weaksauce you dropped there, Chris.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Nope, a cross has been determined to be a religious endorsement. In fact, the town next to the one I used to live was ordered to remove it from their water tower.


A cross is not just a decoration.

So a cross changes the Constitution? It forces people to worship a certain way?
I don't want one burning in my yard or anything, but I don't mind one as part of a Christmas display. My wife certainly doesn't view it as anything required or endorced by the US Government as a national religion, as only a nut case would.

That's like complaining about the American Eagle being used as an endorsement of Nazi Germany......... Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I get a Sunday off after working 7 days a week for the past month.

hooray, thanks christians.......





Serious weaksauce you dropped there, Chris.

I just find it funny that Atheists don't volunteer to work thru Christmas, that's all. It seems that though they may disapprove of the holiday, they enjoy the benefits of it without complaint.....Chris B.