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Brexit: Now What? Part II

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What are the chances of getting the government to fall and having new elections prior to the parliamentary vote on Brexit? There have to be some pics of May kicking an immigrant child and stomping her lollipop somewhere - what's with all the paparazzi slackers these days?
 
You mean this? That seems odd.
Nope. They were an "animal rights" group formed back in the '90s when some UK fascists (part of the Third Way group, itself a NF spinter) aligned with Italy's neo-fascists. It also spread to Greece and some other countries I believe. IIRR it was a casualty of the fascist infighting of the early '00s.
 
Fishing is probably the classic 'blame the EU' scenario. Overfishing meant that controls were inevitable but the media played it as EU boats hovering up all the fish they wanted while British boats were left with scraps. Our politicians saw no need to correct this fantasy as it got them off the hook for rules that were absolutely necessary.
 
Yes I remember that one of the ways that the NF tried to recruit in Scotland was by putting up animal welfare pictures on a stall in the street. They then started the conversation with ordinary people which inevitably came round to the killing of animals for halal and kosher food and a usually widely exaggerated account of the methods used. This was then turned into a general anti Muslim and Jewish diatribe. However, I must admit in Scotland it did not last long as it caused more public disturbances as people quickly understood the facist intent and inevitably the anti nazi league turned up and then the police were called to break up the vocal disturbances. I remember witnessing such events with my husband on a Saturday in the west end over a decade ago.
 
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Yes I remember that one of the ways that the NF tried to recruit in Scotland was by putting up animal welfare pictures on a stall in the street. They then started the conversation with ordinary people which inevitably came round to the killing of animals for halal and kosher food and a usually widely exaggerated account of the methods used. This was then turned into a general anti Muslim and Jewish diatribe. However, I must admit in Scotland it did not last long as it caused more public disturbances as people quickly understood the facist intent and inevitably the anti nazi league turned up and then the police were called to break up the vocal disturbances. I remember witnessing such events with my husband on a Saturday in the west end over a decade ago.


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Fishing is probably the classic 'blame the EU' scenario. Overfishing meant that controls were inevitable but the media played it as EU boats hovering up all the fish they wanted while British boats were left with scraps. Our politicians saw no need to correct this fantasy as it got them off the hook for rules that were absolutely necessary.

Yup, my brother's office involves fisheries and the British fishing boats sold their quotas. And the fish aren't there. They don't seem to have learned the lesson of the Grand Banks fishery collapse and non-recovery, as the adult cod preyed on the predators of the cod small fry, so now most don't make it.
 
Unfortunately the article does not seem to mention methodology.

It's not really a methodology, but they do say this:

ComRes interviewed 2,048 British adults in England, Wales and Scotland aged 18 and up online between Dec. 15-18, 2016. They weighted data weighted of all British adults aged 18 and up. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 2.17 percentage points.
 
Either the article or the pollsters seem to be over-egging the result somewhat.

Yeah it's certainly a stretch to say people still support Brexit, given the leave support is 8% lower than polling day. And people may be against a second referendum on the terms even if they support Remain because they want parliament to do its job.
 
I think the first turning point will be when march goes and the plan is announced, and then when the first economical consequences (may they be positive as ceptimus seem to think or negative as most of us think they will be - whichever) starts to be felt.

That is when the popular opinion will really go one way or another.
 
Yeah it's certainly a stretch to say people still support Brexit, given the leave support is 8% lower than polling day. And people may be against a second referendum on the terms even if they support Remain because they want parliament to do its job.
That's a fair expectation, but I think it's a fair expectation of members of parliament to be elected to do that job. One way or another, a second vote can surely be engineered over the next couple of years.

We could be in the middle of a radical reconfiguration of the British party system. Every now and then it gets tested to destruction.
 
I think the first turning point will be when march goes and the plan is announced, and then when the first economical consequences (may they be positive as ceptimus seem to think or negative as most of us think they will be - whichever) starts to be felt.
The palpable inconsequentiality of "sovereignty" and "taking back control" is one reason why another vote would be unwinnable by Leavers in a year or two's time.

That is when the popular opinion will really go one way or another.
Popular opinion didn't really go one way or the other in June, did it? Nit-picking and pedantry aside. :cool:
 
interresting in comparison to other polls which show regrexit. The age response is especially itnerresting (scroll down).

The age response is really striking. Those that have benefited the most from the EU are the ones most eager to leave (now they have their triple-lock pensions and can pull the ladder up after them). I note that there is a slight drop off in support for Brexit in the 65+ age group. I wonder if that's sue to people (like Sheila Hancock) who are old enough to remember the war and appreciate the EU for non-economic reasons ?
 
The age response is really striking. Those that have benefited the most from the EU are the ones most eager to leave (now they have their triple-lock pensions and can pull the ladder up after them). I note that there is a slight drop off in support for Brexit in the 65+ age group. I wonder if that's sue to people (like Sheila Hancock) who are old enough to remember the war and appreciate the EU for non-economic reasons ?

Triple lock was a vote-buying policy en par with those seen in Russia. Literately - the pensioners are Putin's main constituents too.

Having a maximum voting age as well as the minimum seems more and more appealing to me.

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Or multiple votes; additional votes for being a net contributor to the economy, acquiring an undergraduate degree, military/civil service, certain professions, extreme personal service et cetera
Absolutely not. All these things are strongly correlated to social or economic status, and we might as well go back to property qualifications for suffrage. Universal equal single vote is the only democratic principle.
 
And meanwhile:

Theresa May: Brexit plans to be laid out in new year

Includes this gem:

She added: "It's important that we understand the wider meaning of the referendum result and respond accordingly. It wasn't just a vote to leave the EU, but to change the way the country works and the people for whom it works forever."

Well the massive cuts in services and promises of tax breaks for corporations are a sort of change...
 
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