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Where did you get that specificity, ToFuFighter. I'd bet money Trump hasn't thought it through that far. If it's as you describe I'm sure immigration already has that data from visas that have been issued.

fI'm not ready to call "tricks" until I see more information.
 
Rolling back everything that President Obama did? That's kid's stuff. Newt Gingrich recently bragged that the Trump administration and the Republicans are going to undo everything since FDR.


Referring to this specific moment in history, when Republicans are about to take control of all three branches of government, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich told an audience at the Heritage Foundation that “this is the third great effort to break out of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt model.”

His full speech to Heritage on Tuesday was a mix of gloating, hero worship directed at Trump, paranoia, and grievance. “Something profound is breaking in the old order… a genuine revolution is building,” Gingrich proclaimed, shortly after he credited Donald Trump for giving Americans permission to “say Merry Christmas again.”

He praised Gen. John Kelly, Trump’s nominee to lead the Department of Homeland Security, because Kelly “actually talks about the end of political correctness,” then Gingrich warned of “left-wing rallies” that denounce Eagle Scouts.

He mocked claims that Ben Carson, a former surgeon who has never worked on housing policy, is unqualified to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development because Carson is “prepared to talk about morality, about discipline, about family, about the work ethic.”

Yet the thrust of the speech was that Trump has opened the door to a transformative moment where nearly a century’s worth of liberal victories can be reversed. Gingrich twice brought up the possibility of rolling back Roosevelt’s model of governance, at one point telling the conservative audience that, if Trump is succeeded by another Republican, that would establish “firmly that we have replaced the FDR model and that we are now in a period of very different government.”
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And what does morality, discipline, family, and work ethic have to do with housing policy?
"He's not unqualified because...look!!...something shiny!!"
 
Hey his voters are now afraid he will carry through with his campaign promises.

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/13/13848794/kentucky-obamacare-trump

"The health care law has helped lots of people in Whitley County, where Oller works. The uninsured rate has fallen from 25 percent in 2013 to 10 percent today, according to data from the nonprofit Enroll America. Overall, Kentucky is now tied with West Virginia for the biggest increase in health coverage.

But Obamacare’s success in Whitley County and across Kentucky hasn’t translated into political support for the law. In fact, 82 percent of Whitley voters supported Donald Trump in the presidential election, even though he promised to repeal it.

Oller voted for Trump too.

“I found with Trump, he says a lot of stuff,” she said. “I just think all politicians promise you everything and then we’ll see. It’s like when you get married — ‘Oh, honey, I won’t do this, oh, honey, I won’t do that.’”"
 
ponderingturtle said:
Hey his voters are now afraid he will carry through with his campaign promises.

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/13/13848794/kentucky-obamacare-trump
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I recall a news story in which people in Kentucky were polled, and favored repealing Obamacare, preferring Kynect, the Kentucky state exchange, apparently not realizing that it was set up as part of Obamacare.
Of course, the Governor then shut down Kynect anyway.

It was one of those stories about how people like Obamacare, as long as you don't use that name.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Hey his voters are now afraid he will carry through with his campaign promises.

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/13/13848794/kentucky-obamacare-trump

"The health care law has helped lots of people in Whitley County, where Oller works. The uninsured rate has fallen from 25 percent in 2013 to 10 percent today, according to data from the nonprofit Enroll America. Overall, Kentucky is now tied with West Virginia for the biggest increase in health coverage.

But Obamacare’s success in Whitley County and across Kentucky hasn’t translated into political support for the law. In fact, 82 percent of Whitley voters supported Donald Trump in the presidential election, even though he promised to repeal it.

Oller voted for Trump too.

“I found with Trump, he says a lot of stuff,” she said. “I just think all politicians promise you everything and then we’ll see. It’s like when you get married — ‘Oh, honey, I won’t do this, oh, honey, I won’t do that.’”"
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Gee, ****. It sounds like they didn't think this through.
 
Argumemnon said:
Gee, ****. It sounds like they didn't think this through.
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But they did. They thought it all the way through to "Obama and Hillary are evil" and that was enough.

Wait for the insurance double whammy. Obamacare will be repealed and then the insurance companies will jack up the rates massively because of "Something, something Obama."
 
Judge orders Trump sit for 7-hour deposition in early January

Before President-elect Donald Trump heads to the White House on January 20, he will find himself back in the witness chair for questioning in his ongoing contractual dispute with celebrity chef, Jose Andres.

DC Superior Court Judge Jennifer A. Di Toro ruled Wednesday that Trump must sit for a deposition in New York City the first week of January, and it may last up to seven hours.
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That could be fun.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
At this point, he's just daring the electoral college to stop him.
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Isn't he, though? But it won't happen. The U.S. will have "President Trump" for as long as it takes to impeach and convict him. I won't place odds on that, because I'm completely clueless.
 
He's going around the country admitting that everything he said on the trail was a load of crap. Even "drain the swamp".

He admits - in front of his adoring fans - someone told him to say that. He said it sounded stupid, but he got cheers. So he kept doing it, and you can tell by his tone that he wasn't serious about actually doing it.
 
He mocked claims that Ben Carson, a former surgeon who has never worked on housing policy, is unqualified to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development because Carson is “prepared to talk about morality, about discipline, about family, about the work ethic.”
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Armitage72 said:
And what does morality, discipline, family, and work ethic have to do with housing policy?
"He's not unqualified because...look!!...something shiny!!"
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I'm not in the habit of defending Gingrich, but you've misread the above (poorly written) sentence. He is not saying that a willingness to talk about morality makes one qualified. He is saying that those who say Carson is unqualified say so because he talks about morality, etc.

At least, that's how I read it, but I haven't seen the original transcript or anything.
 
phiwum said:
I'm not in the habit of defending Gingrich, but you've misread the above (poorly written) sentence. He is not saying that a willingness to talk about morality makes one qualified. He is saying that those who say Carson is unqualified say so because he talks about morality, etc.

At least, that's how I read it, but I haven't seen the original transcript or anything.
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I think the previous interpretation is correct, but it is hard to tell because it doesn't really capture what Gingrich actually said:

Even better, Dr. Ben Carson. Callista and I were very fortunate to be with Ben and Candy for a week last summer. This guy’s amazing. He’s a world class pediatrician. He has spoken twice at the National Prayer Breakfast. He has written books that are used widely by homeschoolers. He has a movie made about him called Gifted Hands. And the news media thinks, “Oh, you know, he probably won’t be able to learn enough to do HUD.” None of the people who write this, by the way, have ever been in the HUD building or they would know that probably Ben will be OK. But I wrote a column about this. I do two newsletters a week at Gingrich Productions (free, by the way) and I wrote a column that said the real purpose, the real point here is moral authority. You are putting somebody who rose from poverty to become a world-class surgeon who is prepared to talk about morality, about family, about discipline, about the work ethic, and that makes Ben Carson potentially the most important symbolic appointment of the entire process.
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DevilsAdvocate said:
I think the previous interpretation is correct, but it is hard to tell because it doesn't really capture what Gingrich actually said:
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The excerpt you quoted sure suggests that Armitage was right and my interpretation wrong. Thanks.
 
phiwum said:
I'm not in the habit of defending Gingrich, but you've misread the above (poorly written) sentence. He is not saying that a willingness to talk about morality makes one qualified. He is saying that those who say Carson is unqualified say so because he talks about morality, etc.

At least, that's how I read it, but I haven't seen the original transcript or anything.
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I can see how that interpretation is valid from a grammatical perspective, but from a logical perspective it is pretty kooky. If someone calls a nominee unqualified, then the appropriate response is to provide information about that person's qualifications. Asserting that the claims of being unqualified are merely the result of the nomine's willingness to talk about morality is grossly fallacious.
 
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