Are all Trump supporters racists?

[ponderingturtle]

That's not really my concern, since I had no input into her campaign. But when you throw a rock into a kennel, the dog that hollers...



No kidding - but that's no excuse for the individual workers to simply give up. You want a job, go get one - or make one.

They are white rural voters, they are entitled to a job in their current location for the lifestyle they would have enjoyed working in that profession 60 years ago. To suggest otherwise is pure bigotry.

 

[jakesteele]

Many folks say ALL Trump supporters are racists and bigots.

I disagree.

I think many of them are. But the majority are not.

However, EVERY Trump supporter I know or have encountered in person or on the internet, is a racist and a bigot.

Please, don't think like that. I can make an absolute slam dunk case that Hillary, Podesta and all American people who care more about illegal border crossers than they do the American people are racists by the PC lib radical left definition of racism. An Open Border policy is a huge destructive act that would allow illegals to casually stroll across the border with picnic baskets demanding their props and our money and legal protection. This would have been the first open display of the dismantling America for the sake of the Global trade(Shafta[Slick Willie]-Shafta/TPPT)

Anybody who wants to give illegal border crossers drivers licenses is a traitorous Benidict Arnold to the American people. No liberals that I was aware of ever stopped to think that act all the way through. A drivers' license is no good without a car. Who's going to pay for the car? Hillary and Slick Willie...I think not. We, the People will foot the bill. Also, do the majority of illegals even know how to drive? How many more

Any American who cares more about illegals than they do their own people is a type of racist. If Hillary would have been elected, this country would be in the process of being dismantled right before our eyes and all Hillary voters would rue the day.

What I'm seeing is nothing more than the 5 stages of griefImage result for 5 stages of grief:
The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost. They are tools to help us frame and identify what we may be feeling. But they are not stops on some linear timeline in grief. Please, for the sake of the country give up the ghost and get on with the grieving process.

Also, check out this: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=democratic+party+historical+racists


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=immigration+by+the+numbers

 

[Foolmewunz]

Pick a city that has been long term run by Republicans, any city you choose, and let's compare it with a long term Democrat run city like Detroit. Game?
Chris B.

I know that game, it's called moving the goalposts. Now, would you like to play the one I offered up and not one that you think you can win at?

I asked you how you explain away the sorry plight of the rural poor under the munificent governance of the GOP. Weren't you just bitching about how the poor downtrodden forgotten flyover rural folks aren't doing well? The problem, of course, as you see it... is that the Democratic Presidency has ignored you. No problem at all with the repeatedly elected GOP state houses, nor with your GOP representatives nor senators. No, it's the evil Democrats.

But cities? Now, that's a different case. Those are Democratic cities so we can blame all their ills on Democrats.

Seems the rules of your game are that if Republican-run states have problems it's the Democrats' fault. If Democratic-run cities or states have problems, it's the Democrats' fault. Pretty hard to lose when you get to play by a set of rules that you change depending on who the opponent is. I suggest California challenge Kentucky to a game of basketball, then when Kentucky shows up to claim their prize, we tell 'em, "Ooops, it's basketball-surfing."

 

[Mumbles]

Please, don't think like that. I can make an absolute slam dunk case that Hillary, Podesta and all American people who care more about illegal border crossers than they do the American people are racists by the PC lib radical left definition of racism.

Well, you could *try*, but...

Any American who cares more about illegals than they do their own people is a type of racist.

No, that's just not the definition of the word "racist". Among many other issues, "illegal" immigrants do not share a single race, and all of them, individually, share a race with some US citizens.

If Hillary would have been elected, this country would be in the process of being dismantled right before our eyes and all Hillary voters would rue the day.

Actually, this seems to be the consequence of electing Trump.

What I'm seeing is nothing more than the 5 stages of griefImage result for 5 stages of grief:
The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost. They are tools to help us frame and identify what we may be feeling. But they are not stops on some linear timeline in grief. Please, for the sake of the country give up the ghost and get on with the grieving process.

Many of us didn't bother with "grieving". White supremacy has always been attractive to many voters in the US, and since we've seen a number of neo-nazis, gamergaters (no, not every Gamergater), and random white people calling black people "thugs" and "dindus" organizing, we've always been ready. We just look at this as a part of life, and said "well, white folks generally screwed up again, time to get to work again."

Also, check out this: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=democratic+party+historical+racists

Is this another tired "Lincoln freed the slaves" style argument? Sorry, it's 2016 now, republicans moved to embrace white supremacy beginning around 1900, this is not relevant to what's going on today.

 

[varwoche]

Anybody who wants to give illegal border crossers drivers licenses is a traitorous Benidict Arnold to the American people. No liberals that I was aware of ever stopped to think that act all the way through. A drivers' license is no good without a car. Who's going to pay for the car? Hillary and Slick Willie...I think not. We, the People will foot the bill.

One can't help but wonder about the convoluted thinking that leads to the conclusion that We the People pay for cars for illegal immigrants. Wow.

In picking out this one oddity, I certainly don't want to leave the impression that the remainder of your post came within shouting distance of anything resembling reality.

 

[phiwum]

Anybody who wants to give illegal border crossers drivers licenses is a traitorous Benidict Arnold to the American people. No liberals that I was aware of ever stopped to think that act all the way through. A drivers' license is no good without a car. Who's going to pay for the car? Hillary and Slick Willie...I think not. We, the People will foot the bill. Also, do the majority of illegals even know how to drive? How many more

Are you seriously suggesting that Federal or State governments are handing out cars to illegal immigrants who don't know how to drive?

My, that would be troubling --- if it weren't a fantasy.

 

[Cainkane1]

Many folks say ALL Trump supporters are racists and bigots.

I disagree.

I think many of them are. But the majority are not.

However, EVERY Trump supporter I know or have encountered in person or on the internet, is a racist and a bigot.

I don't know why racists are so happy that Trump won. As strange as some of his speeches were there is not one negative reference to blacks or any other group of people. Trump's main pitch was about keeping jobs in America and to put an end to "illegal" immigration and to remove those who came here illegally. Illegal immigrants broke the law by coming here without waiting to be processed. Later on Trump, said he was only going to deport some of the illegals.

When he was told about racism being done in his mane he said quit. Thats not racism.

 

[Belz...]

Are you seriously suggesting that Federal or State governments are handing out cars to illegal immigrants who don't know how to drive?

My, that would be troubling --- if it weren't a fantasy.

Serves to show how detached from reality the far-right views are.

 

[varwoche]

I don't know why racists are so happy that Trump won. As strange as some of his speeches were there is not one negative reference to blacks or any other group of people. Trump's main pitch was about keeping jobs in America and to put an end to "illegal" immigration and to remove those who came here illegally. Illegal immigrants broke the law by coming here without waiting to be processed. Later on Trump, said he was only going to deport some of the illegals.

When he was told about racism being done in his mane he said quit. Thats not racism.

Holy cow. There's some sort of portal causing posts to bleed over from an alternate universe. A universe where Donald Trump didn't call Mexicans rapists. A universe where Trump didn't suggest a Muslim registry. A universe where Trump didn't propagate blatant lies about black on white crime emanating from neo-nazis. A universe where Trump didn't decline to denounce David Duke.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Holy cow. There's some sort of portal causing posts to bleed over from an alternate universe. A universe where Donald Trump didn't call Mexicans rapists. A universe where Trump didn't suggest a Muslim registry. A universe where Trump didn't propagate blatant lies about black on white crime emanating from neo-nazis. A universe where Trump didn't decline to denounce David Duke.

I think he did call the Mexicans that raped people rapists. And? Did they not? Are you spreading false information and claiming Trump said ALL Mexicans are rapists? That's simply false as he never did.

Trump wants to stop incoming immigration from problem areas of the World temporarily until we can figure out how to properly check those folks out. In case you haven't noticed, we seem to be having problems with radical Muslim extremists at the moment.......

Is crime a problem? It certainly is. Color has nothing to do with it though he did note Black crime was higher overall than White crime when you base it on population numbers.......He wants to make the inner cities safe again for everyone. Is this a bad thing?

Trump has disavowed David Duke dozens of times, you didn't get that info yet? You are really deep in the rhetoric. Try a dose of reality. Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I know that game, it's called moving the goalposts. Now, would you like to play the one I offered up and not one that you think you can win at?

I asked you how you explain away the sorry plight of the rural poor under the munificent governance of the GOP. Weren't you just bitching about how the poor downtrodden forgotten flyover rural folks aren't doing well? The problem, of course, as you see it... is that the Democratic Presidency has ignored you. No problem at all with the repeatedly elected GOP state houses, nor with your GOP representatives nor senators. No, it's the evil Democrats.

But cities? Now, that's a different case. Those are Democratic cities so we can blame all their ills on Democrats.

Seems the rules of your game are that if Republican-run states have problems it's the Democrats' fault. If Democratic-run cities or states have problems, it's the Democrats' fault. Pretty hard to lose when you get to play by a set of rules that you change depending on who the opponent is. I suggest California challenge Kentucky to a game of basketball, then when Kentucky shows up to claim their prize, we tell 'em, "Ooops, it's basketball-surfing."

Certainly most large population areas are run by Democrats and have been. Thus the problems never seem to be solved. As to my point, if the Democrats were doing so well in these cities, why do the same exact problems persist?

About rural America, this election cycle will see KY run by an all Republican legislature for the first time in 95 years. I have hope for a better tomorrow now. As far as small local farms, forget those, they've been gone for years. Factory farms have replaced farmers. Tobacco farmers are becoming scarce as well now in favor of larger more centralized operations. The rural areas of the Country rely heavily on industrial/factory jobs now. Once those factories were shut down and moved to Mexico, or wherever, the rural areas have had nothing to fall back on. NAFTA destroyed rural America when it let our jobs be shipped outside the US.

Now KY had a few coal industry jobs to go around but those have been largely eliminated by Obama's EPA rulings and his personal war on coal. These policies would have continued under Clinton of course.

Don't get me wrong, I like green energy as much as anyone. I have solar panels too. But, to destroy an entire energy industry is not helping the people of KY.

It would be funny if the silicon valley jobs all relocated outside the Country in a matter of a few years. I wonder how the people of CA would feel when subjected to the same job loss rate as the Central states has been. Perhaps a different point of view on the economy? Perhaps.
Chris B.

 

[Mumbles]

Holy cow. There's some sort of portal causing posts to bleed over from an alternate universe. A universe where Donald Trump didn't call Mexicans rapists. A universe where Trump didn't suggest a Muslim registry. A universe where Trump didn't propagate blatant lies about black on white crime emanating from neo-nazis. A universe where Trump didn't decline to denounce David Duke.

He was also against allowing in Syrian refugees (because Aleppo seems like a lovely place to live at the moment), and claimed that we need "nation-wide stop and frisk" - ie. state harrassment and violence based entirely on skin color - because in black neighborhoods you get shot going to the corner store. This is only true if George Zimmerman's around, or if you're involved in a gang.

And he claimed that the Central Park 5 were still guilty, even though the DNA evidence pointed towards an actual serial rapist who had confessed to the crime. And the birtherism. And that Obama couldn't possibly have done well in school, or written his memoirs. and that the US-born judge Curiel couldn't be fair towards him, because "He's Mexican, I'm building a wall."

This is all standard racial and ethnic supremacist crap.

 

[The Don]

Now KY had a few coal industry jobs to go around but those have been largely eliminated by Obama's EPA rulings and his personal war on coal. These policies would have continued under Clinton of course.

I take it that you simply haven't found time to read the analyses of the US coal industry that state quite clearly that the loss of jobs in the coal industry has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's "personal war on coal" and everything to do with :

• Increased automation in the coal mining industry which means that the same amount of coal can be extracted by far fewer miners
• The effect of fracking on the price of natural gas which means that as well as being close to twice as efficent, natural gas is far cheaper than coal

But then again those are facts and in the past you do seem impervious to those

 

[uke2se]

I think he did call the Mexicans that raped people rapists. And? Did they not? Are you spreading false information and claiming Trump said ALL Mexicans are rapists? That's simply false as he never did.

Trump wants to stop incoming immigration from problem areas of the World temporarily until we can figure out how to properly check those folks out. In case you haven't noticed, we seem to be having problems with radical Muslim extremists at the moment.......

Is crime a problem? It certainly is. Color has nothing to do with it though he did note Black crime was higher overall than White crime when you base it on population numbers.......He wants to make the inner cities safe again for everyone. Is this a bad thing?

Trump has disavowed David Duke dozens of times, you didn't get that info yet? You are really deep in the rhetoric. Try a dose of reality. Chris B.

Here's Trump's quote:

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

So no, he did not say that Mexicans that raped were rapists. He said that the people Mexico sends to the US are rapists, among other things.

But some, he assumes, are good people, so it's all good, right?

 

[The Don]

As far as small local farms, forget those, they've been gone for years. Factory farms have replaced farmers. Tobacco farmers are becoming scarce as well now in favor of larger more centralized operations.

Yes, small scale agriculture is no longer cost effective unless you're aiming for a niche market. The alternative is to return to the methods, and prices of the 1950's where 30% of a family's income was spent on food (compared to less than 10% now).

The rural areas of the Country rely heavily on industrial/factory jobs now. Once those factories were shut down and moved to Mexico, or wherever, the rural areas have had nothing to fall back on. NAFTA destroyed rural America when it let our jobs be shipped outside the US.

Except they weren't, or at least they weren't on Obama's watch:

• Under Obama, employment in manufacturing has increased by over 1 million (around 9%)
• Under George W Bush employment in manufacturing decreased by 6 million (around 30%)

..but of course it's the Democratic Party killing manufacturing

(and Trump who gets his tacky merchandise manufactured overseas that's going to bring those jobs back)

 

[Mumbles]

I think he did call the Mexicans that raped people rapists. And? Did they not? Are you spreading false information and claiming Trump said ALL Mexicans are rapists? That's simply false as he never did.

No, he said that Mexico was sending us criminals and rapists, which is still absurd - and yes, he's effectively calling Hispanic immigrants criminals and rapists by doing this.

Trump wants to stop incoming immigration from problem areas of the World temporarily until we can figure out how to properly check those folks out. In case you haven't noticed, we seem to be having problems with radical Muslim extremists at the moment.......

Actually, we're having far more of a problem with radical white right-wing people - the Bundys, sovereign citizens, white supremacists, and random idiots with guns and rage issues. And it seems like we already know how to properly check out immigrants and refugees.

Is crime a problem? It certainly is. Color has nothing to do with it though he did note Black crime was higher overall than White crime when you base it on population numbers.

He specifically stated that the vast majority of white people who are murdered are killed by black people - a laughably false claim that was attributed to a nonexistant federal office.

He wants to make the inner cities safe again for everyone.

Obviously not, otherwise he wouldn't endorse advocate stop and frisk. Note that this will also lead to increased hatred of police, which means more danger for them as well.

And if he really thinks this would help anything, then he's an ignoramus and a white supremacist, which is even worse. Although, given his ignorance on most topics, it's probably the more likely option.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I take it that you simply haven't found time to read the analyses of the US coal industry that state quite clearly that the loss of jobs in the coal industry has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's "personal war on coal" and everything to do with :

• Increased automation in the coal mining industry which means that the same amount of coal can be extracted by far fewer miners
• The effect of fracking on the price of natural gas which means that as well as being close to twice as efficent, natural gas is far cheaper than coal

But then again those are facts and in the past you do seem impervious to those

Oops, you're trying denial right out of the box. Guess what, a claim of "your not educated on the subject" won't work.

So, coal miners were replaced by robots? LMAO! You're funny. The miners today use the exact same extraction equipment they've used for decades.

Fracking reduced the price of natural gas, certainly. Tougher EPA restrictions on coal burning energy plants had nothing to do with anything I suppose? Right. What part of "War on Coal" do you not understand?
Chris B.

 

[The Don]

Oops, you're trying denial right out of the box. Guess what, a claim of "your not educated on the subject" won't work.

So, coal miners were replaced by robots? LMAO! You're funny. The miners today use the exact same extraction equipment they've used for decades.

No they don't, extraction methods have become much less labour intensive over the last four decades.

edited to add....

In part this has been because of a move of coal production from areas where deep mining prevails to those where less labour intensive surface mining is the norm.

If the demand for coal were to remain constant, mines would still move out west.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-04/working-in-the-coal-mine-isn-t-what-it-used-to-be

..end of edit

Fracking reduced the price of natural gas, certainly. Tougher EPA restrictions on coal burning energy plants had nothing to do with anything I suppose? Right. What part of "War on Coal" do you not understand?
Chris B.

Even in those areas where the EPA restrictions made no difference, generators have been switching to gas like crazy because it's so much cheaper to generate electricity using gas.

Even if all the EPA restrictions were removed it would not signal a renaissance for coal-generated electricity for cost reasons.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Yes, small scale agriculture is no longer cost effective unless you're aiming for a niche market. The alternative is to return to the methods, and prices of the 1950's where 30% of a family's income was spent on food (compared to less than 10% now).




Except they weren't, or at least they weren't on Obama's watch:

• Under Obama, employment in manufacturing has increased by over 1 million (around 9%)
• Under George W Bush employment in manufacturing decreased by 6 million (around 30%)

..but of course it's the Democratic Party killing manufacturing

(and Trump who gets his tacky merchandise manufactured overseas that's going to bring those jobs back)

If Obama's policies worked so well for rural America, why exactly did they reject everything Democrat this past election?

Doesn't seem to jive with your claims. Personally, I've seen more factories close and relocate out of Country under Obama here in KY. By the election results here, it would seem most here have seen the exact same.

If Obama did such a great job, nobody here has seen any results from it.

Padding jobs numbers and comparing with Bush won't do any good. As even the common man realizes there are more people in need of a job now than there were under Bush. We've also seen population increases, poverty increases, food stamp recipient increases, shrinking middle class, etc....
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

No they don't, extraction methods have become much less labour intensive over the last four decades.

edited to add....

In part this has been because of a move of coal production from areas where deep mining prevails to those where less labour intensive surface mining is the norm.

If the demand for coal were to remain constant, mines would still move out west.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-04/working-in-the-coal-mine-isn-t-what-it-used-to-be

..end of edit



Even in those areas where the EPA restrictions made no difference, generators have been switching to gas like crazy because it's so much cheaper to generate electricity using gas.

Even if all the EPA restrictions were removed it would not signal a renaissance for coal-generated electricity for cost reasons.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see what happens under Trump's watch. It'll be easy to tell if there's any improvement. So far the stock market has been climbing since the election. It would appear most are optimistic, but I'll admit I'm waiting to judge the results of his actions for the coal industry. I'll be first to cry foul if he backs out of anything coal related.
Chris B.