You may be right! If the evening edition is always called The Boston Evening Globe on the pages, then this must be the morning edition. I thought I remembered finding a source where you could read the entire 11/23/63 morning edition, and couldn't find the article with the diagram, but you may be right. That does seem pretty early for autopsy information to be leaked, but I'm still not convinced that it could only be a coincidence that it shows entry into the precise location. The only other explanation for that is that is happened to work with the 45 degree angle illustration. The neurosurgeon, i don't know, but it's getting pretty boring just arguing about this one article. I know it means a lot to you, but it doesn't to me.
Hilarious. Seriously, you're funny.
You're the one who brought up the illustration here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11560266&postcount=1875
You're the one arguing for it repeatedly. I'm the one clearing up your confusion by quoting back all the language you've been ignoring. Now you're bored and don't want to discuss it anymore because it's not that important to you? Like I said, Hilarious.
I guess this is what passes for a concession speech from a conspiracy theorist. So you're admitting you were wrong and we can expect you not to bring it up again? Or are you just 'bored' and reserve the right to bring it up again in a month when you're not 'bored' with this any longer?
Same thing with Dr. McClelland. His early explanation of the throat wound as a fragment from a head shot was probably from his own mind, and not leaked information from the autopsy. IMO it only adds credibility.
Wow. Just wow. A guy with inadequate information (saw only two of the four known wounds) make a WAG about what one wound was, retracts his claim later, and you think that makes it more credible somehow. No, it makes it meaningless.
Now, let's move on to the historical value of two more items.
First, the 1/4/1964 JAMA article. There were a lot of newspapers reporting that the throat wound was a fragment from a head shot, however the JAMA article specifically said that the autopsy doctors at one point pushed this conclusion.
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Kennedy Shot Twice in Back. - President Kennedy was shot twice from the rear by the assassin who struck him down in Dallas. This unofficial finding by a team of pathologists who performed an autopsy on the President's body cleared up confusion over whether Kennedy was shot once or twice and whether both bullets came from the same direction. The autopsy was performed at Bathesda Naval Hospital on the night of Nov 22 after Kennedy's body was brought back to Washington from Dallas.
The first bullet reportedly hit Kennedy in the upper part of the right back shoulder. The bullet did not go through his body and was recovered during the autopsy. The second bullet hit Texas Gov. John B. Connally who was riding in the President's car. The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the right side of the head. A small fragment of this bullet also angled down and passed out through Kennedy's throat. Kennedy might have survived the first bullet, which may have ricocheted off the limousine before striking him, according to reports."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1161559
The JAMA article is hearsay, as much as you don't want to hear that, it still is. It's got a number of items wrong, as do almost all hearsay reports. Chief here is the claim that a bullet was recovered at the autopsy, rather than at Parkland.
We discussed all this. There are two timelines you have to be aware of. Lifton did an effective job of tracing them both.
Timeline ONE:
There's the Bethesda autopsy results from the autopsy surgeons, which determined, after a discussion with Parkland, that the tracheotomy incision was made through a bullet wound in the neck. From that, the Bethesda autopsy team concluded the bullet that struck JFK in the back passed through his body and exited his throat. That became the official conclusion of the autopsy doctors, who wrote it up on 11/24/63, and signed it into the record.
Timeline TWO:
Sibert and O'Neill left the autopsy room that evening (or early the next morning) with the impression that the bullet that struck JFK in the back did not pass through the body and exit the neck. That left the throat wound unexplained. The conjecture arose at the Press Conference in Parkland that the bullet struck JFK in the throat, struck a bone, deflected upward, and exited the head. That was simply a conjecture issued by Perry and Clark to satisfy the reporters who were asking for a conclusion to report. As Lifton writes in BEST EVIDENCE,
"Never before had I taken November 24th, 1963 as the date the navy autopsy was submitted. Now I studied [Judge Arnold] Fein's argument carefully. It was a revelation. His point was that if certain chronological sequences were understood, it would be clear that the FBI reports on non-transit were simply erroneous, that Humes told the truth, and that the Warren Commission had published the autopsy it received."
I've been crediting Lifton with originating the idea. But the actual case is that Judge Fein first reported this idea in the Saturday Review here:
http://www.unz.org/Pub/SaturdayRev-1966oct22-00036
This is a portion of what he wrote:
All of these books except The Second Oswald seem to ignore the fact that the FBI reports were based on the reports of Sibert and O'Neill, who were present at the autopsy; furthermore, that the doctors' autopsy report, which was revised or written in final form the next day, after the phone conversations with Dr. Perry at Parkland Hospital, was forwarded to the Secret Service, not the FBI. As Popkin notes, the FBI reports are phrased in the language of Sibert and O'Neill, rather than the technical language of the doctors.
Why is it necessary to assume falsification and a plot? Why cannot the third possibility, the unmentioned possibility —that Commander Humes's explanation is the truth—be accepted? It is not even discussed, except by Popkin. The alternatives proposed by the others involve either falsification by Humes or distortion or worse by the FBI. And although the FBI is their favorite whipping boy on other aspects of the case, here they point the finger at Humes. They do so, I suggest, because this fits more easily into their theories of conspiracy and plot.
I'm seeing this same approach throughout the more recent books and most of the online critics I encounter as well. Assume the worst, and ask others to disprove it.
That's of course, the logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof, which you do throughout your postings.
Now, I tend to think the Journal of the American Medical Association is pretty credible about stuff like this, and the fine people there can differentiate between emergency room speculations and autopsy findings. Do you just think the part about the "team of pathologists who performed the autopsy" is just a bit of nonsense printed without much thought?
They are reporting from the FBI reporting. And garbling portions of it extensively. We've already extensively covered that.
Here's the Sibert & O'Neill report.
http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/History/The_deed/Sibert-O'Neill.html
Note what they say about the autopsy conclusions.
*** During the latter stages of this autopsy, Dr. HUMES located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right of the middle line of the spinal column.
*** This opening was probed by Dr. HUMES with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger.
*** Inasmuch as no complete bullet of any size could be located in the brain area and likewise no bullet could be located in the back or any other area of the body as determined by total body X-Rays and inspection revealing there was no point of exit, the individuals performing the autopsy were at a loss to explain why they could find no bullets.
*** A call was made by Bureau agents to the Firearms Section of the FBI Laboratory, at which time SA CHARLES L. KILLION advised that the Laboratory had received through Secret Service Agent RICHARD JOHNSON a bullet which had reportedly been found on a stretcher in the emergency room of Parkland Hospital, Dallas, Texas. This stretcher had also contained a stethoscope and pair of rubber gloves. Agent JOHNSON had advised the Laboratory that it had not been ascertained whether or not this was the stretcher which had been used to transport the body of President KENNEDY. Agent KILLION further described this bullet as pertaining to a 6.5 millimeter rifle which would be approximately a 25 caliber rifle and that this bullet consisted of a copper alloy full jacket.
*** Immediately following receipt of this information, this was made available to Dr. HUMES who advised that in his opinion this accounted for no bullet being located which had entered the back region and that since external cardiac massage had been performed at Parkland Hospital, it was entirely possible that through such movement the bullet had worked its way back out of the point of entry and had fallen on the stretcher.
*** Also during the latter stages of the autopsy, a piece of the skull measuring 10 x 6.5 centimeters was brought to Dr. HUMES who was instructed that this had been removed from the President’s skull. Immediately this section of skull was X-Rayed, at which time it was determined by Dr. HUMES that one corner of this section revealed minute metal particles and inspection of this same area disclosed a chipping of the top portion of this piece, both of which indicated that this had been the point of exit of the bullet entering the skull region.
*** On the basis of the latter two developments, Dr. HUMES stated that the pattern was clear that the one bullet had entered the President’s back and had worked its way out of the body during external cardiac massage and that a second high velocity bullet had entered the rear of the skull and had fragmentized prior to exit through the top of the skull. He further pointed out that X-Rays had disclosed numerous fractures in the cranial area which he attributed to the force generated by the impact of the bullet in its passage through the brain area. He attributed the death of the President to a gunshot wound in the head.
Second, this quote from Chief Counsel Lee Rankin at a 1/27/1964 Warren Commission meeting:
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Then there is a great range of material in regards to the wounds, and the autopsy and this point of exit or entrance of the bullet in front of the neck, and that all has to be developed much more than we have at the present time. We have an explanation there in the autopsy that probably a fragment came out the front of the neck, but with the elevation the shot must have come from, and the angle, it seems quite apparent now, since we have the picture of where the bullet entered in the back, that the bullet entered below the shoulder blade to the right of the backbone, which is below the place where the picture shows the bullet came out in the neckband of the shirt in front, and the bullet, according to the autopsy didn't strike any bone at all, that particular bullet, and go through."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcexec/pdf/WcEx0127.pdf
Consider that this guy is in charge of getting the official story straight. Are you going to say this is a casual flub based on something he read in the paper?
Sigh. Same source, which tracks back to the Sibert and O'Neill report.
All this has been covered in detail with you in the past.
Please note that your JAMA citation even points out the autopsy report was in the hands of the Secret Service (not the FBI) and had NOT yet been forwarded to the Warren Commission. Why then are you assuming Rankin actually had knowledge of the Bethesda conclusions at the above WC meeting? I think it's clear he's getting stuff wrong because he's relying on FBI reports, which ultimately all trace back to the memorandum of Sibert & O'Neill, who were at the autopsy.
Hank
