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Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

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henri you have been told ad nauseum that UNSOURCED is just that - no known source but THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT DIDN'T COME FROM THE HOME. I have pointed out to you many many times that there were plenty of photos and home movies that showed Colette, Kimmie, and Kristy wearing dark woolen clothes AND the afghan that inmate claimed he struggled getting out from under (the alleged attack remember?) was also made primarily of dark woolen yarns. Since inmate gave away, threw away, or destroyed most of the possessions of Colette, Kimmie, and Kristy before CID had a chance to compare them the dark woolen fibers remain unsourced. It DOES NOT PROVE INTRUDERS.

Plus, Colette had a dryer and she let her neighbors use that dryer so dark woolen fibers could have come from there also.....still doesn't prove hippies.
 
Jeffrey MacDonald said he was RELIEVED, not BEREAVED, at the loss of his family. So Silvergate needed a laxative when he said that because he was FULL of it.
 
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Jeffrey MacDonald said he was RELIEVED, not BEREAVED, at the loss of his family. So Silvergate needed a laxative when he said that because he was FULL of it.

That's a bit unfair. I think a lot of emotional women can be dangerous.

There are reports of Dr. MacDonald being very emotional when he was first taken into hospital. The doctors gave him huge doses of sedatives without checking to see if he had a hairline skull fracture which could have caused brain damage.

There is a report that he burst into tears when he first met his mother after the MacDonald murders. Judge Dupree was clearly biased and erroneous on a point of law in only allowing the jury to see the pro-government psychiatric testimony of Dr. Brussel because Dupree supposedly didn't want a battle of the experts. The appeal court judges should have had something to say about that and reversed the wrong verdict. It was a grave injustice.

There is a bit of background to this on the internet. The Jeffrey MacDonald case by Xiulan, Xiulan Judge, Jury and Executioner:

Dr. Ryder at Womack Army Hospital was the first psychiatrist to evaluate Dr. MacDonald and he did so two days after the murders (19 February) while Jeff was recovering from his extensive injuries and surgery. The note Major Ryder made in conclusion was "Normal grief process continues." Captain Jeffrey MacDonald would not even be considered a suspect until mid-late April.

21 April 1970: First official psychiatric assessment. Conducted by Dr. Robert Sadoff, per defense counsel Bernard Segal. His final conclusion was that there existed no evidence of psychosis, delusion, or hallucination. Dr. Sadoff remarks that MacDonald was articulate, expressed himself well, was highly self-analytical, and had compartmentalized his grief and depression normally. The psychiatrist notes that Jeff broke down completely several times during the interview, always when prompted to speak more about his family, which was also normal. The doctor probed a great number of areas with MacDonald including some that lay-people would find his responses to disturbing. One was that he admitted to feeling a sense of relief once life began to settle again and it crossed his mind that all the burdens and responsibilities of his former role as father and husband were no longer. Accompanied by a deep sense of shame for having had those thoughts at all. Believe it or not, this is actually a normal part of the grieving process when a person loses someone valuable to them who was also dependent upon them. A peculiar characteristic of grief is that when the mind attempts to process it in a way that does the least psychological damage and produces the least amount of emotional distress. This sometimes produces thought processes that the detached public would not understand and in some instances claim are evidence of criminal guilt.

The media particularly loves stuff like this: "No tears from so-and-so today"...nevermind the assertion is that if you don't collapse to the floor and bawl like a baby for the five minutes the press are watching, you're a monstrous, inhuman psychopath. Of course, anyone who has seen more than one "news" report of murder also knows that if the camera doesn't like the way you cry in front of it, you're also a monstrous, inhuman psychopath. If you cry too much, you're putting on a show...It's an endless loop of spinning any given suspect/defendant's every detail in the most salacious light, even if they use the same "evidence" to attach both guilt and innocence as it suits their needs. I only mention because the television does shape and/or reinforce ideas that do influence public perception...that public is the jury pool in every case in every court.
 
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Dr Ryder could NOT have examined inmate "as he was recovering from his extensive injuries and surgeries" because (1) HE WAS NOT EXTENSIVELY INJURED and (2) INSERTION OF A CHEST TUB DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EXTENSIVE SURGERY. Inmate was sitting up eating a steak dinner within hours of slaughtering his family and the only injury that even needed treatment was the "1 cm surgically precise incision in the 5th intercostal space that partially collapsed a lung". Oh, and let us not forget that he was drinking Cold Duck (a sparkling wine) also.....that is NOT HOW A BEREAVED PERSON BEHAVES.
 
That's a bit unfair.

What's unfair about it, Henri? This is a statement made by your idol JEFFERY MACDONALD, not an emotional woman (well, if we take into account the statement that either he did it or he's the biggest ....., maybe it was). Jeffrey MacDonald is the source of the statement that he was RELIEVED his family was gone.

Bereaved people are not relieved that their loved ones are gone.

He did it. Get over it.
 
That's a bit unfair. I think a lot of emotional women can be dangerous.

There are reports of Dr. MacDonald being very emotional when he was first taken into hospital. The doctors gave him huge doses of sedatives without checking to see if he had a hairline skull fracture which could have caused brain damage.

There is a report that he burst into tears when he first met his mother after the MacDonald murders. Judge Dupree was clearly biased and erroneous on a point of law in only allowing the jury to see the pro-government psychiatric testimony of Dr. Brussel because Dupree supposedly didn't want a battle of the experts. The appeal court judges should have had something to say about that and reversed the wrong verdict. It was a grave injustice.

There is a bit of background to this on the internet. The Jeffrey MacDonald case by Xiulan, Xiulan Judge, Jury and Executioner:

Henri, you do realize that your opinion of what the judge should have done is absolutely immaterial to the facts, right?

The case has been up and down the appeal process and JM is not getting out because of any objection to the facts you, or any other internet crime hobbyist comes up with.
 
Judge Dupree did not allow ANY Psychiatric Testimony at trial. He stated he wasn't going to turn the trial into a battle of expert witnesses, as it was a given that the Prosecution experts would say he could/would/did and the defense experts would say he couldn't/wouldn't/didn't.
 
Judge Dupree did not allow ANY Psychiatric Testimony at trial. He stated he wasn't going to turn the trial into a battle of expert witnesses, as it was a given that the Prosecution experts would say he could/would/did and the defense experts would say he couldn't/wouldn't/didn't.

The fact is that the jury were only shown the anti-MacDonald psychiatric testimony of Dr. Brussel who was suffering from senile dementia at the time. Murtagh had cunningly given the jury some of MacDonald's previous statements at the Article 32 and Grand Jury while at the same time demanding that no exculpatory evidence from the Article 32 be allowed to be presented in court because it was ten years old. That's corrupt bias.

I don't think that would be allowed in the UK. I have never heard of pamphlets being presented to the jury by the prosecution. Perhaps it goes on all the time in America? The 4th Circuit judges and Supreme Court allowed Judge Dupree and Judge Fox to bend any rule of evidence they wanted. They were in bed with the prosecution.

Various pieces of evidence against MacDonald proved highly damaging, but the greatest was perhaps the ‘character assessment’ of the suspect presented by Dr James Brussel. Brussel was selected by Government officials and was known as a celebrity psychiatrist who used ‘psychic’ abilities, often without even seeing the prisoners or suspects in custody. Brussel claimed that MacDonald was a psychopath.

Despite various psychiatric reports on MacDonald’s personality, including one by the respected forensic psychiatrist Dr Seymour Halleck stating that the suspect was stable and a non-pathological personality, none of these testimonies were presented in court. Brussel’s however was admitted for the jury to hear.Various pieces of evidence against MacDonald proved highly damaging, but the greatest was perhaps the ‘character assessment’ of the suspect presented by Dr James Brussel. Brussel was selected by Government officials and was known as a celebrity psychiatrist who used ‘psychic’ abilities, often without even seeing the prisoners or suspects in custody. Brussel claimed that MacDonald was a psychopath.
 
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There is more about the MacDonald case psychiatric testimony on the internet from John Boston:

Segal called Dr. Robert Sadoff, founder of the American Board of Forensic Psychiatry, who had examined MacDonald a few months earlier. Sadoff testified, "I feel that Captain MacDonald does not possess the type of personality or emotional configuration that would be capable of this type of killing with the resultant behavior that we now see. In other words, I don't think he could have done this...He is a very warm person, and very gracious, and one whom, I must admit, I like."

Col. Rock had also ordered psychiatric testing at Walter Reed Army Hospital. The chief psychiatrist, Lieutenant Col. Bruce Bailey, along with Lieutenant Col. Donald Morgan, director of research psychiatry, and Major Henry Edwards, head of psychiatric consultation, all examined MacDonald. Together they found no mental illness or derangement in MacDonald. Instead they considered him a warm, personable and engaging young man. They did not believe that he had lied about the events of that fateful night.
 
The fact is that the jury were only shown the anti-MacDonald psychiatric testimony of Dr. Brussel who was suffering from senile dementia at the time. Murtagh had cunningly given the jury some of MacDonald's previous statements at the Article 32 and Grand Jury while at the same time demanding that no exculpatory evidence from the Article 32 be allowed to be presented in court because it was ten years old. That's corrupt bias.

No henri the FACT IS THAT NO PSYCHIATRIC TESTIMONY WAS PRESENTED TO THE JURY AT ALL. NONE ZERO ZILCH NIL NADA.

Judge Dupree didn't want the trial turned into a battle of psychiatric experts. period.
 
John Boston - ha ha ha - many of us are fairly certain it was a pen name for Fred Bost and his quotes are almost word for word from that totally flawed piece of "reporting" Fatal Joke (lol ok Fatal Justice but it is a joke from the campy dark foggy alley Chinese restaurant with the dragon on the door to the miscellaneous cut and paste presentations)
 
The ONLY reason to present psychiatric testimony is DEFENSIVE; i.e., this is why he did this, he'd been taking Eskatrol and didn't need it and he'd been overworking himself with moonlighting jobs and women on the side and he just suffered a psychotic break. Since mack the knife's defense was he didn't do it, there was no reason to listen to shrinks argue the point of "his personality". His character wasn't on trial, although Segal did his best to make it the point of the trial. Ted Bundy was also a wonderful guy - so long as you weren't a girl with long brown hair (usually parted in the middle) and only got into the car with a plethora of witness to see you do it (who knew he was). So a "public" persona of "he wouldn't do that" is not really relevant.
 
Jeffrey MacDonald said he was RELIEVED his family was gone.

You still haven't told me what's unfair about pointing this out.
 
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No henri the FACT IS THAT NO PSYCHIATRIC TESTIMONY WAS PRESENTED TO THE JURY AT ALL. NONE ZERO ZILCH NIL NADA.

Judge Dupree didn't want the trial turned into a battle of psychiatric experts. period.

I have always thought John Boston was a stage name for Harvey Silverglate.

It's true that I can't find an exact reference where the jury were told that Dr, Brussel had said that MacDonald was a psychopath. You would probably have to ask the jury about that if they were willing to admit it. What seems to have happened is that Judge Dupree erroneously excluded the exculpatory psychiatric testimony because he thought it might lead to an acquittal. The pro-MacDonald psychiatric testimony was allowed at the Article 32 and the Grand Jury. Dr. Sadoff was "fairly certain" MacDonald didn't do it.

There is some background information to this from former MacDonald lawyer the late Eisman in about 1985:

www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/amicus-curiae-1985-12-14.html

II. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT BE PERMITTED TO CIRCUMVENT A DEFENDANT'S SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO COUNSEL AND FIFTH AMENDMENT PRIVILEGE AGAINST SELF- INCRIMINATION, BY HAVING THE TRIAL COURT ORDER ONE OF THEIR INVESTIGATIVE AGENTS "EXAMINE" THE DEFENDANT, DURING TRIAL, WHEN IN FACT THAT EXAMINATION WAS A RUSE TO OBTAIN INCRIMINATING STATEMENTS FROM THE DEFENDANT

Almost four years after the trial of this case, and numerous request under the Freedom of Information Act, counsel for MacDonald learned for the first time that they had been deprived of critical testimony at trial by the intentional misconduct of the prosecution.

In an elaborate scheme to mislead the defense and trial court, the prosecutors engineered a brilliant plot which transpired briefly as follows:

The most crucial testimony cited by the army hearing officer in 1970 finding that the charges against MacDonald were "untrue" was the testimony of the psychiatrists who examined MacDonald within months of the murders. All of the psychiatrists, both for the defense and army, reported that in their professional opinions, MacDonald was incapable of committing the crimes herein.

When the defense sought to introduce this psychiatric testimony at the trial before Judge Dupree in 1979, the government moved to exclude it. Judge Dupree ruled that before he would not rule on the defendant's right to present psychiatric testimony until MacDonald first agreed to be examined by a Psychiatrist designated by the Prosecution.

The person designated by the prosecution, it learned four years later, had been a key member of the investigative team that convinced the Justice Department to bring instant charges. Dr. Brussel's services as a forensic criminologist for the government, according to the FOIA documents, actually began as early as 1971.

Brussel had advised the government eight years before his examination of MacDonald that he had a firm opinion as to MacDonald's guilt and elaborate theories and explanations to support his conclusion. The government never informed the defense nor the Court that the person they were designating to examine MacDonald had already concluded he was guilty.

Whatever Brussel told Judge Dupree in camera concerning his "examination", it is clear that Judge Dupree was never told of the real role of Brussel. However, based upon what Brussel did say privately Judge Dupree excluded psychiatric testimony for this defendant.

In addition, while Brussel prepared no written report, exhibits to the Motion to Vacate Sentence make it clear that the questions asked in the "examination" related to MacDonad's inability to explain certain physical facts and not his psychiatric condition.

The very questions which were asked by Brussel in this "examination" and that MacDonald could not explain were asked a few days later by the prosecution. Given what Dr. Brussel's real role for 8 years had been, that of investigative criminologist, that line of questioning would be expected. (See Motion to Vacate Sentence and attached exhibits and declarations for a more detailed exploration of the facts and implications of the conduct of Brussel and the prosecutors.)

The conduct of the prosecutors which the lower court excuses completely is so abhorrent to the our conceptions of fairness and decency, not to mention the Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution, that to imagine this court upholding this conviction is nothing short of nightmarish. Such a decision would open the doors to not only intentionally deceive trial judges, but have investigative agents gain access to defendants, without their counsel present, for the purposes of bolstering their cases.

It was totally impossible for Brussel to conduct an objective examination of MacDonald eight years after concluding he was guilty. Again, even if the government had not intentionally withheld his true role for the prosecution from the court and defense, any professional opinion would necessarily, again, be tainted with the "appearance of partiality" which might have led to a different decision by Judge Dupree on the issue of psychiatric testimony.

Our courts have consistently ruled that where intentional governmental interference with a defendant's right to counsel is demonstrated, no prejudice need be proven. Briggs v. Goodwin, 698 F.2d 486 (D.C. Cir. 1983) United States v. Levy, 577 F.2d 200 (3rdCir. 1971). This case shows the need for such a rule. To decide otherwise would encourage deceit, and similar plots in the future.

The appellant herein has also demonstrated actual prejudice resulting from the prosecutor's misconduct. An important defense was denied MacDonald due to the use of Dr. Brussel. It was his tainted report, in camera, which led to Judge Dupree excluding psychiatric testimony which had a key role in charges being dismissed by the Army. Whatever Brussel said to Judge Dupree will never be known, but it is clear that before this discussion, Judge Dupree had not excluded psychiatric testimony, and after this meeting he did.

Even if the affidavits of MacDonald and his counsel are ignored with regard to the actual purpose of this examination, it is clear that the senior forensic criminologist on the prosecution team, Dr. Brussel surreptitiously obtained an interview with the defendant, during trial and counsel was excluded from that interview. This type of interference with counsel, when discovered, has been condemned by our courts consistently. See Estelle v. Smith 451
U.S. 454, (1981); United States v. Henry, 477 U.S.264 (1980); United States v. Wade, 388 218 (1967); Massiah v. United States, 337 U.S. 201 (1964).

What also makes the actions of the prosecutors incapable of a logical defense, is that their failure to inform defense counsel of Dr. Brussel's real role in this case completely deprived the defendant of the effective assistance of counsel. His attorneys were unable to raise these issues before Dr. Brussel was permitted to "examine" their client. Had counsel been informed of the true facts concerning Dr. Brussel they could have moved the court to have the prosecutors select an unbiased psychiatrist. Judge Dupree could have ruled that another psychiatrist examine MacDonald, that his lawyers be present at any examination by Dr. Brussel, or could have at least viewed his examination with caution, knowing his prior firm opinion concerning MacDonald. All of these options were foreclosed by the deception of the Prosecutors. Such conduct cannot be applauded by this court. To do so would be an invitation to the government to make similar intrusions into other defendant's Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights.

III. IN A CRIMINAL CASE WHERE THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WITHHELD, SUPPRESSED, AND EVEN DESTROYED POTENTIALLY EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE, A NEW TRIAL, AT THE MINIMUM IS CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED
 
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no matter who John Boston is, he is not credible. his blathering is nothing more nor less than the totally awfully factually incorrect nonsense written by Fred Bost. That piece of crap book has a minimum of 1 error for every 5 pages of text. there have been pages and pages on other forums pointing out inaccuracies, cut and paste presentation, misrepresentations, and outright lies. Quoting John Boston or Fatal Joke is a waste of time because the information is inaccurate.
 
there is no "exact reference" or even an "inexact reference" because NO PSYCHIATRIC TESTIMONY WAS PRESENTED TO THE JURY.

Jeffrey Robert MacDonald Trial: 1979 - The Trial, At Last

.....Judge Franklin Dupree refused to admit into evidence a psychiatric evaluation of MacDonald which suggested that someone of his personality type was most unlikely to have committed violent crimes. Dupree did this for the soundest, of reasons. If the defense were allowed to present their side of the psychiatric argument, then the prosecution would doubtless counter with experts of their own. Because no plea of insanity had been entered, Dupree didn't want the trial bogged down by a mass of what was likely to be contradictory testimony.


from an article about the trial - no psychiatric testimony allowed.....
 
The Clock Is Ticking

Rather than make a final, but relatively easy decision, this 4th Circuit Court continues to coddle inmate. They have agreed to hear oral arguments in January.

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_ma...136-doc045.pdf

The good news is that John Stuart Bruce will speak for the government and the victims in this case. John is a highly competent prosecutor who did a wonderful job at the 2012 evidentiary hearing. John was able to prove that Jimmy Britt was a serial fabricator who lied a whopping 27 times in 5 separate affidavits.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
Still Waiting

HENRIBOY: Still waiting on that lab document sourcing Stoeckley, Mitchell or any other member of the Fort Bragg community to this crime. You also need to come to terms with your inability to think critically as evidenced by your reliance on blogs/articles.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
Henri:

"I have always thought John Boston was a stage name for Harvey Silverglate."

How does that answer even one of my direct questions to you?
 
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