Proof of Immortality, the IV league

[Nonpareil]

Those who are concerned with logical argumentation shouldn't allow it.

Those who are concerned with logical argumentation have long since given up on Jabba.

 

[Mojo]

No, some of them are still pointing and laughing.

 

[jond]

No. Because your 'self' isn't dying and being replaced, your 'self' is a process.

You wouldn't think this would be a hard concept to understand. And yet here we are all these years later and he still can't grasp it.

 

[aleCcowaN]

When Jabba goes to sleep his brain experiences a lot of processes -I hope so- but, if he doesn't get up to tinkle and he doesn't dream something he remembers in the morning, there's -almost- nothing to add to that process called soul.

Consider death to be that on a larger time frame with a guarantee of zero activity. The rest is cowardly fantasy.

But they have to invent Devil, they have to invent that rogue treacherous angel called The God, they have to invent the original sin, and the rapture, the Last Judgement, and all of their Boschian fetishy paraphernalia in order to cope with infantile fear and hesitating moral.

 

[Jabba]

My Dear Mr. Savage:

If you continue to ignore my questions, I will realize that your "illusional selves" thing is just one more attempt to appeal to something, the very existence for which you cannot support with the lest crumb of actual evidence.

You claim it works on others--why not on your unsupported musings?

I remain effectively yours, &ct.

Slowvehicle,
- John Jones asked me to respond to your post above.
- I don't really understand the hilited portion above. Can you try again?
- Also, please indicate the past question you would most like me to answer.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Nope, because the "self" doesn't exist. The 'rule of "so"' clearly applies here.

Or at least some ideas about a self dont bear critical examination.

 

[Loss Leader]

but, if he doesn't get up to tinkle

I was in my forties when I found out some people don't wake up at all the entire night. I wake up at least twice and consider myself to have slept through the night.

 

[JayUtah]

I don't really understand the hilited portion above. Can you try again?

It seems pretty clear. You're trying to shoehorn someone else's philosophical construct of consciousness into the scientific model because you desperately need some marginally convincing rationale for your magic denominator. Blackhorn's construct of consciousness is not a soul. It's not enumerable as "potential selves."

Also, please indicate the past question you would most like me to answer.

You should have been paying attention. You don't get to claim the privilege of ignoring everyone and then suddenly put the onus on them to bring you up to speed when you decide to start paying attention.

 

[JayUtah]

I was in my forties when I found out some people don't wake up at all the entire night. I wake up at least twice and consider myself to have slept through the night.

Prior to age 50 I slept through the night. These days I get up 2-3 nights a week, but for the opposite reason. As my moniker suggests, I live in a very dry climate; I have to get up to hydrate. One of these days I'll remember to put a flask of water near my bedside.

 

[Loss Leader]

Prior to age 50 I slept through the night. These days I get up 2-3 nights a week, but for the opposite reason. As my moniker suggests, I live in a very dry climate; I have to get up to hydrate. One of these days I'll remember to put a flask of water near my bedside.

If there's anything that disproves immortality, it's my prostate.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Slowvehicle,
- John Jones asked me to respond to your post above.
- I don't really understand the hilited portion above. Can you try again?
- Also, please indicate the past question you would most like me to answer.

My Dear Mr. Savage:

Why? For what reason?

By your own rules, by the very rules you presume to inflict upon others, your continued silence has served as a clear agreement that you have not even a single stitch of actual evidence for the existence of a "soul", much less its "immortality".

Further, after all the times you have pretended that I was "impolite" to you, do you not find it the least bit...odd...(to say nothing of unseemly, or downright, dismissively rude) that you finally deign to notice one of my posts? Why not read what I write on your own (and NOT just the first line)?

I remain civilly yours, &ct...

 

[JoeMorgue]

You know how in a courtroom you can ask the judge to treat a witness as hostile when they aren't cooperating or acting antagonistic so you can interact within them outside the normal standards?

The MA needs an equivalent concept.

 

[theprestige]

You know how in a courtroom you can ask the judge to treat a witness as hostile when they aren't cooperating or acting antagonistic so you can interact within them outside the normal standards?

The MA needs an equivalent concept.

No it most certainly does not.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I wasn't being serious.

 

[theprestige]

I wasn't being serious.

That's fine; I was.

 

[Jabba]

Mojo,
- So, every instant my particular self dies and is replaced by a different self. Will it be replaced when my brain dies?

Mojo,
- But that's the point.
- According to OOFLam, my process, or illusion will stop and never happen again...
- And what's more -- if time is finite, my P/I was totally unlikely to ever happen. And, if time is infinite, that now is somewhere between 1942 and, say, 2042 (Gregorian speaking) is also virtually infinitely unlikely.
- Ask jt.

 

[Hokulele]

Where the heck are you getting time is infinite from? You do realize that infinity isn't just an extra large number, yes?

 

[aleCcowaN]

- And what's more -- if time is finite, my P/I was totally unlikely to ever happen. And, if time is infinite, that now is somewhere between 1942 and, say, 2042 (Gregorian speaking) is also virtually infinitely unlikely.

As unlikely as white noise.

Ignorance is a prolific mother, isn't she?

Basically y'ar saying: roll the dices a thousand times, write down the outcomes, call it destiny if you like the term or avoid calling it destiny and show how in awe you are.

Yet, there are things that seem to be settled beforehand, like some people not getting a clue in their lifetime.

 

[Mojo]

Mojo,
- But that's the point.
- According to OOFLam, my process, or illusion will stop and never happen again...
- And what's more -- if time is finite, my P/I was totally unlikely to ever happen. And, if time is infinite, that now is somewhere between 1942 and, say, 2042 (Gregorian speaking) is also virtually infinitely unlikely.
- Ask jt.

Why would any of these factors be different if you had an immortal soul? Your body would still need to exist, and it would still be "now".

ETA: And, additionally, your particular soul would need to get lucky and inhabit your particular body. That, according to your own figures, means that your existence is less likely if you have an immortal soul than if you don't, by a factor of one over infinity.

 

[Jabba]

Why would any of these factors be different if you had an immortal soul? Your body would still need to exist, and it would still be "now".

ETA: And, additionally, your particular soul would need to get lucky and inhabit your particular body. That, according to your own figures, means that your existence is less likely if you have an immortal soul than if you don't, by a factor of one over infinity.

Mojo,
- If I have an immortal soul, its existence doesn't depend upon a specific body, or even any body.
- And the particular now doesn't mean a whole lot if my soul is immortal.