RIP Castro

[Craig B]

I don't fear any US leader on the right, when a politician STARTS with the idea of smaller government, its kinda hard to end up with a dictator, not forgetting our checks on government takeover.

Now I know you've been joking. There are no dictators on the right? Because the right believes in smaller government? Now that is not a serious comment. Of course right wing tyrants believe in smaller government.

The only element of government Papa Doc was interested in was the Tonton Macoute. Thousands of bureaucrats administering Medicare wasn't his style at all.

ETA By the way

Luckner Cambronne led the Tonton Macoute^WP throughout the 1960s and the beginning of the 1970s. His cruelty earned him the nickname "Vampire of the Caribbean". He profited by extortion carried out by his followers. In 1971, President Duvalier died and his widow Simone, and son Baby Doc Duvalier ordered Cambronne into exile. Cambronne moved to Miami, Florida where he lived until his death in 2006.​

 

[Craig B]

Lol

You're okay with a "benevolent dictator" but you're in fear that somehow president Trump is going to become one. Even with the many checks and balances we have. And you weren't concerned when Obama governed by executive order. There is a word that describes your fear.

I don't fear any US leader on the right, when a politician STARTS with the idea of smaller government, its kinda hard to end up with a dictator, not forgetting our checks on government takeover.

This is utterly delusional. Here is how Trump behaved towards ordinary homeowners when he thought he had the Scottish government in his pocket. It's democratic government that protects people from that kind of treatment. Back in the nineteenth century that's how many landowners here behaved. They stopped, more or less, when ordinary householders finally received the right to vote in 1886. Trump is a monster from the past. He'll treat you like that too, if you let him get away with it.

From NYT.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/w...ontentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article&_r=0

 

[logger]

Now I know you've been joking. There are no dictators on the right? Because the right believes in smaller government? Now that is not a serious comment. Of course right wing tyrants believe in smaller government.

The only element of government Papa Doc was interested in was the Tonton Macoute. Thousands of bureaucrats administering Medicare wasn't his style at all.

ETA By the way

Luckner Cambronne led the Tonton Macoute^WP throughout the 1960s and the beginning of the 1970s. His cruelty earned him the nickname "Vampire of the Caribbean". He profited by extortion carried out by his followers. In 1971, President Duvalier died and his widow Simone, and son Baby Doc Duvalier ordered Cambronne into exile. Cambronne moved to Miami, Florida where he lived until his death in 2006.​

I don't joke with leftists, its rather painful to do so.

If you think Papa Doc is the same as a republican or conservative republican, I won't waste anymore time.

 

[logger]

This is utterly delusional. Here is how Trump behaved towards ordinary homeowners when he thought he had the Scottish government in his pocket. It's democratic government that protects people from that kind of treatment. Back in the nineteenth century that's how many landowners here behaved. They stopped, more or less, when ordinary householders finally received the right to vote in 1886. Trump is a monster from the past. He'll treat you like that too, if you let him get away with it.

From NYT.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/w...ontentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article&_r=0

This bolded sentence of yours is your greatest clue. He simply can't.

 

[qayak]

Lol

You're okay with a "benevolent dictator" but you're in fear that somehow president Trump is going to become one. Even with the many checks and balances we have. And you weren't concerned when Obama governed by executive order. There is a word that describes your fear.

I don't fear any US leader on the right, when a politician STARTS with the idea of smaller government, its kinda hard to end up with a dictator, not forgetting our checks on government takeover.

I think you've just proven how uninformed you are. Reagan used more executive orders than Clinton and Bush the Lesser used more than Obama.

And according to Forbes, the size of government grew more under Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Lesser than it did under Obama. Clinton and Bush the Elder tied for growth.

Do a little research and stop regurgitating long debunked twaddle you hear from right wing nuts.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I don't joke with leftists, its rather painful to do so.

If you think Papa Doc is the same as a republican or conservative republican, I won't waste anymore time.

And yet you waste time equating anything and everything vaguely "left" or "liberal."

 

[logger]

And yet you waste time equating anything and everything vaguely "left" or "liberal."

Ahh, you might notice just about everything on here is left and liberal.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

In this case, papa doc, the failure is in your understanding of what Right and Left actually mean outside the echosphere.

 

[logger]

I think you've just proven how uninformed you are. Reagan used more executive orders than Clinton and Bush the Lesser used more than Obama.

And according to Forbes, the size of government grew more under Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Lesser than it did under Obama. Clinton and Bush the Elder tied for growth.

Do a little research and stop regurgitating long debunked twaddle you hear from right wing nuts.

Uninformed about executive orders?

You might try comprehending my point, which is no president in this country can become a dictator. Obamas executive orders were only used as an example since Obama couldn't get anything done.

Probably a waste of time since my side won and has apparently obliterated your ideology, I'd like to see your link to Forbes.

 

[logger]

In this case, papa doc, the failure is in your understanding of what Right and Left actually mean outside the echosphere.

Go ahead and explain the similarities to conservatism then, this ought to be a hoot.

Papa himself might not even have known.

Seems to me every dictator that ever came about agrees with you on more things than they would agree with me.


Your serve!

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Go ahead and explain the similarities to conservatism then, this ought to be a hoot.

Papa himself might not even have known.

Seems to me every dictator that ever came about agrees with you on more things than they would agree with me.


Your serve!

I started to craft a comprehensive and useful answer but then read this post.

Generalized lack of political literacy no longer appeals to me as a fixable problem.

 

[qayak]

Uninformed about executive orders?

You might try comprehending my point, which is no president in this country can become a dictator. Obamas executive orders were only used as an example since Obama couldn't get anything done.

Probably a waste of time since my side won and has apparently obliterated your ideology, I'd like to see your link to Forbes.

Obliterated my ideology? Bwahahaha! WTF kind of nazi speak is that?

Your last precious right wing president used all your tax dollars to bail out banks and auto makers that were failing because of their own mismanagement and corruption.

The U.S. is a welfare state administered by Republicans for the benefit of huge corporations. Then they strip the education system to make sure there are enough ignorant people to support them.

Good job!

 

[logger]

Obliterated my ideology? Bwahahaha! WTF kind of nazi speak is that?

I doubt you'll ever figure it out if you think its nazi speak.

Your last precious right wing president used all your tax dollars to bail out banks and auto makers that were failing because of their own mismanagement and corruption.

Obama wasn't right wing.
I suppose he could be to a socialists.

The U.S. is a welfare state administered by Republicans for the benefit of huge corporations. Then they strip the education system to make sure there are enough ignorant people to support them.

Isn't that what you like a welfare state?
I assure you they aren't teaching conservatism or anything close to that in our schools, they're teaching exactly what you want.

Good job!

Thanks, I'm doing quite well, and I'm very happy with our election.

 

[logger]

I started to craft a comprehensive and useful answer but then read this post.

Sure you did.

Generalized lack of political literacy no longer appeals to me as a fixable problem.

Great, I won't try and fix you either.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I'm very happy with our election.

Me too, because I hate America!

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Sure you did.

why would you say this? I feel like you are accusing me of lying. I'm trying not to think hurtful thoughts about this statement, because in my heart I'm an optimist and tend to mistakenly think the best of others. You're not making that easy for me.

Great, I won't try and fix you either.

Awesome, because your "fix" doesn't meet my specifications.

May I suggest you googleversity yourself about papa doc, right wing dictators and authoritarian governments generally, and possibly even research what "left" and "right" actually mean. Hint: not all Rightists are "conservative." Expand your understanding.

 

[logger]

why would you say this? I feel like you are accusing me of lying. I'm trying not to think hurtful thoughts about this statement, because in my heart I'm an optimist and tend to mistakenly think the best of others. You're not making that easy for me.

Dude, I really have no answer for this one.

Awesome, because your "fix" doesn't meet my specifications.

Yes I know.

May I suggest you googleversity yourself about papa doc, right wing dictators and authoritarian governments generally, and possibly even research what "left" and "right" actually mean. Hint: not all Rightists are "conservative." Expand your understanding.

You realize where all this started? Craig B expects Trump to become a dictator. I told him it was impossible because being "right" in the US and/or conservative doesn't fit with being a dictator, not to mention our laws of checks and balances. And then you started in with yours. So, just to review, Trump isn't like Papa doc, Castro or any other dictator that has come about, further, the US left OWNS any similarities to dictators from the left or right dictators around the world.

 

[logger]

Me too, because I hate America!

With most of your posts, that is not surprising.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

the US left OWNS any similarities to dictators from the left or right dictators around the world.

Your understanding of US Left and dictatorships both left and right seems inadequate when it produces such conclusions. Perhaps you could elaborate on your thesis, develop it with some facts and examples.

Otherwise it owns similarities with goatse-sourced conspiratardism, pseudoscientific horse feathers and "I only need one book" religiosity.

 

[qayak]

Obama wasn't right wing.
I suppose he could be to a socialists.

That should have been your first clue that it wasn't Obama.

Isn't that what you like a welfare state?
I assure you they aren't teaching conservatism or anything close to that in our schools, they're teaching exactly what you want.

No, that's why I never vote conservative. Your education obviously didn't include dictionary usage.

Thanks, I'm doing quite well, and I'm very happy with our election.

It doesn't surprise me you are happy with a lying, racist, misogynistic, billionaire playing you for a fool and bringing in his friends to help him fleece you but I don't think you "won" anything even though your candidate got in.