Gable Tostee

[GlennCashQC]

...but we aren't judging him on an isolated incident.
We are judging him on how he behaved immediately after that incident. When he didn't call an ambulance because he said "What happened, had happened - there was nothing an ambulance could do." We are judging him on his lack of his genuine remorse during his interview and we are judging him on having the gall to take money for that interview. We are judging him for saying "You're lucky I haven't chucked you off my balcony, you God damn psycho little bitch" minutes before Wright fell to her death. We are judging him for ignoring the 33 times she said "no" and ignoring her begs to go home.

No one is spinning this. Tostee's actions speak for themselves and his words speak for themselves. I'm allowed to make value judgement of him based on his words and actions. And until he actually starts to show genuine remorse and act like someone has actually died I'm gonna think that Tostee is, as one person put it, a "malignant narcissist". A "walking timebomb". A "psychopath."

First of all , dont speak for others by saying "we". You wouldnt have any idea what the overall public sentiment is. I have however visited polls on a few sites about this, and pre trial, it was one third each of participants that thought "Guilty", "Not Guilty", or "Unsure" . However if you go on social media, the sentiment is 99% guilty. The inference I draw is that those who have a little more intelligence and objectivity, do not waste time joining wild speculative discussions, hence the imbalance of differing views.

If you judge on his post fall behaviour , that is fine, but you are judging on a separate issue to the case being discussed. The case is the death of a woman, not about the unrelated aspects of an involved parties personality. Incidentally the points you claim to judge him on have been explained in Post #872 so in fact you are still not up to speed with this case.

Calling Tostee a psychopath clearly shows you don't even understand what psychopathy is. Nothing indicates he is. You seem unaware that he has in the past been diagnosed with slight austism, and it would explain his detachment and lack of emotion.

As I keep saying to so many people like you, listen to the first 2 hours of the 3 hr recording which you clearly havent and get some context. Its obvious that Tostee was thoughtful and considerate to her until she crossed the line. His behaviour was fine, hers was not.

And why would Tostee need to show remorse then, or even 2 years after the incident? For what? He didn't do anything that contributed to her death, and considering what her psycho actions did to his life, leading to 3 pointless months of imprisonment, if I were in his shoes, I'd have nothing but hatred for this female (insofar as you cant hate a mentally unstable person).

You can't tell me to change my opinions about the man. I've formed them based on his actions and I will judge him based on his words. I'm not sure what else you expect me to do.

Employ logic and objectivity - listen to the full recording....but you wont will you, because it is more convenient to just join the discussion and vent hate on the basis of selected media snippets. Unfortunately there are people here who have a greater knowledge of this case than that.

In Lundy's case, there are no straws being clutched - he just could not have done it. Completely different scenarios and I have no idea why the cases have any kind of comparison; they have nothing in common. In the Eric Thomas case, the verdict showed that no crime was committed. Amber & Christine's hacked-up bodies show that murder was committed.

There is one glaring similarity in that the police, the media, and then consequent public sentiment turned against a man and concocted a motive to hold him responsible for the death/s of other people. If Lundy is ever freed early, he will suffer the same fate as Tostee, as no exoneration will change peoples prejudices - he will be guilty forever in the view of the Court of Public Opinion. Ain't it grand?

 

[Samson]

First of all , dont speak for others by saying "we". You wouldnt have any idea what the overall public sentiment is. I have however visited polls on a few sites about this, and pre trial, it was one third each of participants that thought "Guilty", "Not Guilty", or "Unsure" . However if you go on social media, the sentiment is 99% guilty. The inference I draw is that those who have a little more intelligence and objectivity, do not waste time joining wild speculative discussions, hence the imbalance of differing views.

If you judge on his post fall behaviour , that is fine, but you are judging on a separate issue to the case being discussed. The case is the death of a woman, not about the unrelated aspects of an involved parties personality. Incidentally the points you claim to judge him on have been explained in Post #872 so in fact you are still not up to speed with this case.

Calling Tostee a psychopath clearly shows you don't even understand what psychopathy is. Nothing indicates he is. You seem unaware that he has in the past been diagnosed with slight austism, and it would explain his detachment and lack of emotion.

As I keep saying to so many people like you, listen to the first 2 hours of the 3 hr recording which you clearly havent and get some context. Its obvious that Tostee was thoughtful and considerate to her until she crossed the line. His behaviour was fine, hers was not.

And why would Tostee need to show remorse then, or even 2 years after the incident? For what? He didn't do anything that contributed to her death, and considering what her psycho actions did to his life, leading to 3 pointless months of imprisonment, if I were in his shoes, I'd have nothing but hatred for this female (insofar as you cant hate a mentally unstable person).

Employ logic and objectivity - listen to the full recording....but you wont will you, because it is more convenient to just join the discussion and vent hate on the basis of selected media snippets. Unfortunately there are people here who have a greater knowledge of this case than that.

There is one glaring similarity in that the police, the media, and then consequent public sentiment turned against a man and concocted a motive to hold him responsible for the death/s of other people. If Lundy is ever freed early, he will suffer the same fate as Tostee, as no exoneration will change peoples prejudices - he will be guilty forever in the view of the Court of Public Opinion. Ain't it grand?

QC can you post that full Tostee audio??
Here is a reasonable place to start with reasonable people.

 

[banquetbear]

First of all , dont speak for others by saying "we".

...oh don't talk rubbish.

We did judge him on what he did on what he did immediately after the incident. I judged him and I think he is a horrible person. You judged him and decided he was an okay bloke. That tells me everything I need to know about YOU.

You wouldnt have any idea what the overall public sentiment is.

Strawman. I don't claim to know what the overall public sentiment is.

I have however visited polls on a few sites about this, and pre trial, it was one third each of participants that thought "Guilty", "Not Guilty", or "Unsure" . However if you go on social media, the sentiment is 99% guilty. The inference I draw is that those who have a little more intelligence and objectivity, do not waste time joining wild speculative discussions, hence the imbalance of differing views.

Cite for any of these figures please?

And you visited a few polls on a few sites like this? You do realize that "sites like this" are not representative of the general public?

And you also realize that "social media" is a solid reflection of the person in question? You personally curate who is in your social circles. So if the social media you experience is "less intelligent" and "less objective" that's all on you right? I surround myself by intelligent and objective people, and my social media experience is completely different to yours.

If you judge on his post fall behaviour , that is fine, but you are judging on a separate issue to the case being discussed. The case is the death of a woman, not about the unrelated aspects of an involved parties personality.

I can judge him on whatever I choose to judge him on. You are not the boss of me.

Incidentally the points you claim to judge him on have been explained in Post #872 so in fact you are still not up to speed with this case.

I don't give a **** about your points. They are utterly irrelevant to what I have said.

Calling Tostee a psychopath clearly shows you don't even understand what psychopathy is. Nothing indicates he is. You seem unaware that he has in the past been diagnosed with slight austism, and it would explain his detachment and lack of emotion.

I didn't personally call him a psychopath. I was quoting someone. Read my post more carefully.

As I keep saying to so many people like you, listen to the first 2 hours of the 3 hr recording which you clearly havent and get some context. Its obvious that Tostee was thoughtful and considerate to her until she crossed the line. His behaviour was fine, hers was not.

Are you Gable Tostee?

If you are, then that explains why you've listened to the recording.

If you are not: then provide a link to the audio here in this thread: or stop telling people to listen to the audio.

The transcript shows quite clearly his behaviour was not fine.

And why would Tostee need to show remorse then, or even 2 years after the incident? For what? He didn't do anything that contributed to her death, and considering what her psycho actions did to his life, leading to 3 pointless months of imprisonment, if I were in his shoes, I'd have nothing but hatred for this female (insofar as you cant hate a mentally unstable person).

I'm actually pretty sure you hate "this female" now. You can't even bring yourself to call her by her name. And that in itself is pretty damn sad.

Tostee should show remorse because if he had chosen to make different decisions that night Wright would still be alive.

Employ logic and objectivity - listen to the full recording....but you wont will you, because it is more convenient to just join the discussion and vent hate on the basis of selected media snippets. Unfortunately there are people here who have a greater knowledge of this case than that.

If you provide the link I will listen to it in its entirety. Until you do that: don't tell me what I will and won't do.

There is one glaring similarity in that the police, the media, and then consequent public sentiment turned against a man and concocted a motive to hold him responsible for the death/s of other people. If Lundy is ever freed early, he will suffer the same fate as Tostee, as no exoneration will change peoples prejudices - he will be guilty forever in the view of the Court of Public Opinion. Ain't it grand?

Tostee is guilty of everything I've claimed. I judge him to be a horrible human being and until he shows remorse: if he is treated by society as a pariah I will not feel bad about that for a single second.

 

[Hard Cheese]

If you are not: then provide a link to the audio here in this thread: or stop telling people to listen to the audio.

The transcript shows quite clearly his behaviour was not fine.

If you provide the link I will listen to it in its entirety. Until you do that: don't tell me what I will and won't do.

Post #872. "Summary of the Gable Tostee Case". Right at the bottom.

 

[banquetbear]

Post #872. "Summary of the Gable Tostee Case". Right at the bottom.

...already clicked on it. Link no longer contains the recording. (At least for me.) But thanks.

 

[Hard Cheese]

QC can you post that full Tostee audio??
Here is a reasonable place to start with reasonable people.

...already clicked on it. Link no longer contains the recording. (At least for me.) But thanks.

Hmmm...I still have a copy, I'll see if I can find somewhere to host it. I started to listen to it, but really - life is too short. You will never get the time back.

 

[GlennCashQC]

...oh don't talk rubbish.
We did judge him on what he did on what he did immediately after the incident. I judged him and I think he is a horrible person. You judged him and decided he was an okay bloke. That tells me everything I need to know about YOU.

Wrong, I never made a claim to know him or what he was like. You are twisting things, and injecting irrelevancies such as your opinion of me, which has nothig to do with this, so your argumentative quality is very poor.

Cite for any of these figures please?
And you visited a few polls on a few sites like this? You do realize that "sites like this" are not representative of the general public?

I dont care enough to go looking for them. Believe me or not. The point is there is much more discussion and understanding on what went on in this case in a forum like this, as opposed to the mindless morons on FB who have little or average intelligence. One only has to read the ignorance in the comments to gauge it,these morons believe everything they read by the media

And you also realize that "social media" is a solid reflection of the person in question? You personally curate who is in your social circles. So if the social media you experience is "less intelligent" and "less objective" that's all on you right? I surround myself by intelligent and objective people, and my social media experience is completely different to yours.

lol what sort of garbage tip psychology is this? The majority of people have average intelligence, and they tend to use FB, Twitter, the places where the stupidest arguments over this case rage. It is that simple. Smart people do not engage in debates with idiots.

I don't give a **** about your points. They are utterly irrelevant to what I have said.

They are absolutely relevant to what I said. Its a simple matter of comprehension.

I didn't personally call him a psychopath. I was quoting someone. Read my post more carefully.

Maybe if you did likewise I will meet you halfway.

Are you Gable Tostee?

Read the thread.

If you are, then that explains why you've listened to the recording.

No it doesn't and it again shows the immature level of argument you offer.

The transcript shows quite clearly his behaviour was not fine.

Wrong. Again you know little about this case. the transcript is incomplete, and has errors. Talking about inference drawn form a transcript is stupid when full nuance and context is given by the audio.

I'm actually pretty sure you hate "this female" now. You can't even bring yourself to call her by her name. And that in itself is pretty damn sad.

Again, this is irrelevant, just more of your logical fallacies.

Tostee should show remorse because if he had chosen to make different decisions that night Wright would still be alive.

Do not agree.

QC can you post that full Tostee audio??Here is a reasonable place to start with reasonable people.

I see the Fildropper links are dead but it is on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdbsvjuW2Q&t=5060s

Anyone who wants the transcript PM me.

 

[banquetbear]

Wrong, I never made a claim to know him or what he was like. You are twisting things, and injecting irrelevancies such as your opinion of me, which has nothig to do with this, so your argumentative quality is very poor.

...how do you measure argumentative quality exactly? What is the standard of measure, and where do I rank, and how do I compare to you?

I dont care enough to go looking for them. Believe me or not.

I doubted you before: I simply don't believe you now. I think you just made those figures up. So "not."

The point is there is much more discussion and understanding on what went on in this case in a forum like this, as opposed to the mindless morons on FB who have little or average intelligence. One only has to read the ignorance in the comments to gauge it,these morons believe everything they read by the media

You need to be more selective in who you choose to associate with on social media.

lol what sort of garbage tip psychology is this? The majority of people have average intelligence, and they tend to use FB, Twitter, the places where the stupidest arguments over this case rage. It is that simple.

This isn't "garbage tip psychology." You pick and choose who you follow and who your friends are on facebook and twitter. If the people you follow and are friends with are "less intelligent" and "less objective" then that is your fault and your problem.

Smart people do not engage in debates with idiots.

If you are so "smart" then what are you doing here? Why aren't you off with the other "smart people" congratulating each other and slapping each other's backs?

They are absolutely relevant to what I said. Its a simple matter of comprehension.

But they are absolutely irrelevant to what I said. The points I chose to judge him on were not explained in your post as claimed. Your post was a list of cherry picked talking points that painted Tostee in a favourable light. Those talking points were irrelevant to what I said.

Maybe if you did likewise I will meet you halfway.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Read the thread.

So that's a yes? Or is that a no?

No it doesn't and it again shows the immature level of argument you offer.

If you are Tostee that means you've listened to the tape because you MADE THE TAPE. There is nothing immature in that statement at all.

Wrong. Again you know little about this case. the transcript is incomplete, and has errors. Talking about inference drawn form a transcript is stupid when full nuance and context is given by the audio.

Oh stop telling me what I do and I don't know. I don't need to read the entire 9/11 commission report to know that the US government did not bring down the Towers, I don't need to watch the Zapruder tape to know that Kennedy's gets shot, and I don't need to listen to three hours of a couple having a fight and then one of them falling to her horrific death to draw inferences about Tostee. I'm going to listen to the audio so that no-one else has too. But you don't need to listen to the entire audio to have an opinion on this case. I'm fifteen minutes in. I'm bored already. And so far the audio hasn't added any nuance or context at all. Where is this nuance and context you promised?

Again, this is irrelevant, just more of your logical fallacies.

It certainly is relevant. You have demonstrated in this thread a clear hatred of this woman. You said "if I were in his shoes, I'd have nothing but hatred for this female." If "this female" had fallen off your balcony and died a tragic death: you would have nothing but hatred for her, EVEN THOUGH SHE IS DEAD.

Lets not pretend your opinions of "this female" have not clouded your view of this case.

Do not agree.

If Tostee had called the police instead of putting on the balcony, do you think she would be alive? If Tostee had put her out the front door, do you think Wright would still be alive? Was dying the only possible outcome of the night? Was there nothing that Tostee could have done that night to ensure a different outcome?

What is it exactly that you "do not agree" with?

And thanks for the audio link. Just the absolute best way to spend a Tuesday afternoon: listening to Wright's last three hours of life. How absolutely *********** pleasant.

 

[banquetbear]

...I'm half an hour in. So far: two people talking with music in the background.

No additional context added that you couldn't grasp from a transcript. No additional nuance. You can hardly hear what they are saying. I'll update again after an hour.

 

[banquetbear]

...36 minutes in: Wright says goodbye and wants to go home. Tostee tries to convince her to stay the night.

 

[banquetbear]

...50 minutes in. They've had a fight, now they've made up. Still haven't learnt anything I didn't know before.

 

[cullennz]

...50 minutes in. They've had a fight, now they've made up. Still haven't learnt anything I didn't know before.

I bet his music is crap

 

[banquetbear]

...I'm officially an hour in and apart from that fight, nothing of consequence has happened. No additional context nor nuance has been added.

The music has stopped. Inane conversation continues.

 

[banquetbear]

...don't anyone else listen to that tape.

Tostee is *********** evil.

From an hour seventeen: Wright is trying to calm Tostee down, telling him "its all good." Her voice is obviously muffled. He's just said "You're lucky I haven't chucked you off my balcony you goddamn psycho little bitch."

She is breathing heavily. He keeps asking her questions, her responses are muffled: either his hands are at his throat or over her mouth. He says "You're just going to walk out and I'm going to slam the door on you. You understand? If you try to pull anything I'll knock you out. I'll knock you the **** out." She doesn't respond because she can't respond.

There is a lot of *********** silence. For five minutes the only voice we can hear is Tostee. And he is scary as ****.

She breaks free at 1:23. The screams are terrifying. So much louder than the rest of the audio. She is scared ********. Absolutely petrified. She asks to go home but he says no, she's been a bad girl. The door slams shut. And now she's dead. It takes seconds.

He's on the phone now. It goes to voice mail. A few minutes later it sounds like he's left the apartment.

Tostee is an evil mother **********.

Listening to the tape hasn't softened my opinion. Its made it much much worse. I'm not going to listen to anymore. And I'm going to go rinse my brain with bleach. RIP Warriena Wright. You didn't deserve such a horrible end to your life.

 

[banquetbear]

Employ logic and objectivity - listen to the full recording....but you wont will you, because it is more convenient to just join the discussion and vent hate on the basis of selected media snippets. Unfortunately there are people here who have a greater knowledge of this case than that.

...so you were wrong. I did listen to the recording.

I employed logic and objectivity. And it was clear from what I heard that Wright was in distress, and that Tostee was enraged. And Tostee had plenty of opportunity to end the night differently.

Its a shame the prosecution didn't get a guilty verdict. But now I've listened to the tape in its entirety, and taken in the full context of the tape and all the nuance, I no longer believe the prosecution were wrong to go after murder. They just needed to present a better case than they did. The tape is a heck of a lot worse than the transcript. And that five minutes of silence from Wright says it all.

 

[lionking]

...so you were wrong. I did listen to the recording.

I employed logic and objectivity. And it was clear from what I heard that Wright was in distress, and that Tostee was enraged. And Tostee had plenty of opportunity to end the night differently.

Its a shame the prosecution didn't get a guilty verdict. But now I've listened to the tape in its entirety, and taken in the full context of the tape and all the nuance, I no longer believe the prosecution were wrong to go after murder. They just needed to present a better case than they did. The tape is a heck of a lot worse than the transcript. And that five minutes of silence from Wright says it all.

All correct. No amount of "he was just a dick" negates this commentary.

 

[cullennz]

...don't anyone else listen to that tape.

Tostee is *********** evil.

From an hour seventeen: Wright is trying to calm Tostee down, telling him "its all good." Her voice is obviously muffled. He's just said "You're lucky I haven't chucked you off my balcony you goddamn psycho little bitch."

She is breathing heavily. He keeps asking her questions, her responses are muffled: either his hands are at his throat or over her mouth. He says "You're just going to walk out and I'm going to slam the door on you. You understand? If you try to pull anything I'll knock you out. I'll knock you the **** out." She doesn't respond because she can't respond.

There is a lot of *********** silence. For five minutes the only voice we can hear is Tostee. And he is scary as ****.

She breaks free at 1:23. The screams are terrifying. So much louder than the rest of the audio. She is scared ********. Absolutely petrified. She asks to go home but he says no, she's been a bad girl. The door slams shut. And now she's dead. It takes seconds.

He's on the phone now. It goes to voice mail. A few minutes later it sounds like he's left the apartment.

Tostee is an evil mother **********.

Listening to the tape hasn't softened my opinion. Its made it much much worse. I'm not going to listen to anymore. And I'm going to go rinse my brain with bleach. RIP Warriena Wright. You didn't deserve such a horrible end to your life.

Did he physically have anything to do with her falling off the balcony

Yes or no

 

[banquetbear]

Did he physically have anything to do with her falling off the balcony

Yes or no

...that is irrelevant to the charge of murder in the locality under discussion, as you well know, because we have had this exact same discussion earlier in this thread. You don't even have to read this thread to find that out. Just try remembering.

 

[cullennz]

...that is irrelevant to the charge of murder in the locality under discussion, as you well know, because we have had this exact same discussion earlier in this thread. You don't even have to read this thread to find that out. Just try remembering.

No it isn't

Maybe manslaughter, but even that was thrown out

 

[lionking]

Did he physically have anything to do with her falling off the balcony

Yes or no

Christ, this was covered on the first page of this thread. He did not have to throw her off the balcony. Stop these ridiculous posts.