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Merged Dakota Access Pipeline

marplots said:
I like the phrase "savagely attacked" because it recalls the use of "savage" for Native Americans. Nice use of the double entendre there.
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Unintentional. I think "savage" is a good description of what the local authorities have done over the course of their seige: water hoses, dogs, mass tear gas attacks. One protester had their arm nearly blown off by a concussion grenade.

And nearly complete silence out of the MSM and the White House.
 
Maya22 said:
Google "1851 Treaty."
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The US acts like they don't even have any treaties with the N Americans any longer. Witness what the BLM did to the western Shoshone. Did you know that there is a standing judgement against the US from the Human Rights Tribunal that the US is ignoring over that situation?
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Unintentional. I think "savage" is a good description of what the local authorities have done over the course of their seige: water hoses, dogs, mass tear gas attacks. One protester had their arm nearly blown off by a concussion grenade.

And nearly complete silence out of the MSM and the White House.
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I'm not well versed in the correct methods to remove trespassers. I would prefer they do it without injury and with as little inconvenience as possible, but one presumes that with enough resistance, some level of force is required.

Honest question. What would you find acceptable?
 
The Associated Press reports that the Corps of Engineers has closed the northern land as of December 5, additionally noting:

"To be clear, this means that no member of the general public, to include Dakota Access pipeline protesters, can be on these Corps lands."

It says anyone on land north of the river after Dec. 5 will be trespassing and may be prosecuted. It also says anyone who stays on the land does so at his or her own risk.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_PIPELINE_PROTEST?SITE=AP
 
Criminals are always "at their own risk". It hardly seems to be something that requires being mentioned.
 
anyone who stays on the land does so at his or her own risk.
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This can also be interpreted in a different way.

Protesters have come from far and wide. Many do not understand a North Dakota winter and the risk that it represents for a human being.

"OMG, I have extensive frostbite and now I have to walk 10 miles to get out of here. OMG, I have to walk through big snow and OMG, I am going to die!"
 
marplots said:
By the way, what happened to the rule of law here?
(From the NPR link above):
"The Dakota Access pipeline is nearly complete, except for one parcel of land owned by the federal government. Energy Transfer needs a final permit to tunnel beneath Lake Oahe on the Missouri River in rural North Dakota."

This is not Indian land. They are trespassing. They are criminals.
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Criminal = one who breaks the law
Law = hierarchy goes from local to national to Constitutional, including, by that last document to... gosh, signed treaties!
Treaties = 500 broken with Native Americans, including the Black Hills grab.

Therefore, I agree, the major criminal in this should be held responsible, prosecuted and made to make full restitution. That means large swathes of ND, SD, WY and NB should be handed over forthwith by the US Federal, State and local authorities to the Lakota Nation. Glad you agree, as apart from the anti-black racism, this is the other egregious case of victimizers blaming victims for acting like victims. Compensation to white settlers should be done using the same pricing methods used for imminent domain for highways in poor urban areas, lest once again the white man show his true lack of grit.

Or we can interpret law, as always, as a white man's tool for expressing his rights over others. A.k.a dishing it out, but not being able to take it.

Whaddaya know, got me to post.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Like when these criminals got what they had coming.

http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/march-7-1965-civil-rights-marchers-attacked-in-selma/?_r=0
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Whether or not the current protest gathers momentum and enough popular support to make a difference will depend in part on how well the Indians are able to connect the pipeline to broader issues they deem important. Hard to know in advance.

At this point I don't see a very strong parallel. One key difference is that the Native American minority is pretty fractured politically. Tribes can be seen as separate, balkanized entities, with some doing quite well and others poorly. I don't know if my local, casino-running tribe supports the protest or to what extent. I know if they closed their operation it would make the news around here.
 
Maya22 said:
Woman Injured At Standing Rock Protest Might Lose Arm, Family Says
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The police have a different story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/us/dakota-pipeline-sophia-wilansky.html?_r=0
Lt. Tom Iverson of the North Dakota Highway Patrol offered a different version of the episode, which he said was being investigated by the North Dakota Bureau of Criminal Investigation and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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Hopefully, we get a better answer.
 
Maya22 said:
Army Corps Of Engineers Tells Pipeline Protesters To Leave Camp By Dec. 5
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The protesters have to move to the south side of the river. They can protest there. But that is not without risk, as the Corps says...

...and to prevent death, illness, or serious injury to inhabitants of encampments due to the harsh North Dakota winter conditions.
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They are not joking about that. Protesters need to be extremely careful and prepare themselves for a winter which may be very unlike any that they have ever experienced if they are not from this area. Nobody wants their own fingers to break like icicles when holding up a protest sign.
 
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North Dakota governor orders pipeline protesters expelled

North Dakota's governor ordered the expulsion of thousands of Native American and environmental activists camped on federal property near an oil pipeline project they are trying to halt, citing hazards posed by harsh weather as a blizzard bore down on the area.
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If this were actually the motive, every winter the good governor would be offering his Native American neighbors financial support for warming homes, many of which have no electricity. Yet again, the brave US white boy needs a fig leaf, not for shame, but for appearances. Dunno about any other claims, but Republicans have a lock on world class rationalization.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
If this were actually the motive, every winter the good governor would be offering his Native American neighbors financial support for warming homes, many of which have no electricity. Yet again, the brave US white boy needs a fig leaf, not for shame, but for appearances. Dunno about any other claims, but Republicans have a lock on world class rationalization.
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It would be nice if they did have a program for low income people to get money for heating in the winter. Not just Native Americans, but for all the citizens in North Dakota.

Oh wait, they do that already...
"The Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program helps people with lower incomes to pay their heating/energy bills during the fall, winter and spring months. County social service offices around the state take applications for the program and decide how much help each household can get to pay their heating bills. The Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program is administered by the North Dakota Department of Human Services."

Of course, that doesn't make Republicans any less evil, just points out there is more evil available if they cancel the program.
 
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