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Brexit: Now What? Part II

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ceptimus said:
I know that the remoaners like to use pessimistic forecasts as though they were facts. Whenever reality proves them wrong they choose to ignore it.
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I'm sure you can show some examples of this then. I mean Britain hasn't even begun to leave the EU so all the negative effects, most importantly being the loss of investor confidence, that have occurred only thanks to the referendum.
 
Farage celebrating a job he hasn't got at a lavish party hosted by a non-dom tax-dodging billionaire press baron, held at the Ritz.

And the fraud tries to tell us that the establishment have taken a kicking and he is the future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38089702

7 times he has stood for Parliament and never got elected.
We've got a problem. In America the revolution is total. Not only have the people spoken and won, but the old administration, Obama and all those ghastly people, are out and the Trump people are in."

"In this country, the people have spoken, but the same players have just been shuffled around the chess board and we are still being run by the career professional political class.
I am not sure what is going to happen over the course of the next couple of years but I suspect there's another big seismic shock in British politics perhaps going to come at the next election.
I suspect that the Conservative Party is not fit for the legacy of Brexit. I suspect there is going to be a genuine realignment of British politics over the course of the next three or four years.
It is unfinished business - the people have spoken but the establishment don't want to listen. There are great battles to be fought and I'm going to go on fighting those battles."
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I thought he was going to withdraw from public life?
 
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I simply cannot get my head around any line of thought that ends with 'Farage, that's a good idea'.

What do people see in him? I know it's something, something that my poor little brain can't process, but I just don't get it.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Farage ... I thought he was going to withdraw from public life?
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Don't be downhearted. Tony Blair's returning to public life to fill the gap left by Nige.

Here's a preview of what we'll be getting. Pic from Metro: Tony Blair ... carrying Kate Hudson with the help of Sylvester Stallone and two Cirque du Soleil acrobats.
 
3point14 said:
I simply cannot get my head around any line of thought that ends with 'Farage, that's a good idea'.

What do people see in him? I know it's something, something that my poor little brain can't process, but I just don't get it.
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"you want to retire in a monastery with a vow of silence for the rest of your life ? Farage, that's a good idea"
 
EU leader once again says that fee movement of people is key if the UK is to remain part of the single market:

EU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.

Joseph Muscat, whose country assumes the EU's presidency in January, told the BBC "this is really and truly our position and I don't see it changing".
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Then again, if they were bluffing, this is exactly what they'd say :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38100561
 
The Don said:
Well actually "Great work, the subset of the 52% who voted Brexit who thought that's what we would be getting"
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Well this is the problem with the whole 'will of the people' argument.

There's a subset of people who voted leave because it would mean £350million a week extra for the NHS

There's a subset who voted leave because the thought it would stop mass immigration, not cut it mind you, stop it.

There's a subset who voted leave because they thought it would stop illegal immigrants.

There's a subset who voted leave because they were promised we could keep all the economic benefits of membership while repatriating all the power back to Parliament and the British courts.

So if Teresa May can't offer up a plan that accords with the will of those people, shouldn't MPs be allowed to vote down Brexit?

And of course there's the subset who voted leave as a protest vote and were horrified to be on the winning side.

How the **** do you express their will?
 
You don't. Ceptimus keep missing the point that each voted for a *different* brexit. You will never be able to re-conciliate all their positions. So the only way is to admit that , and either ignore the popular vote (hey it is only advisory), or publicly admit that only a small subset of the 52% will get what they want , with either a lot of compromise, or a lot of pain.

Personally I am in favor of ignoring people. People are feckle and mostly don't really realize what they ask for, most don't even have the strength to plan ahead so asking them such decision and take it as a done deal is stupid. Will-e-coyote lightning the dynamite and being hoisted on it kind of stupid.
 
Garrison said:
So if Teresa May can't offer up a plan that accords with the will of those people, shouldn't MPs be allowed to vote down Brexit?
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May seems determined to enact Brexit regardless of how good/poor a deal Britain appears to be getting or how big/small the proportion of those who voted leave support that particular model.

As I've been saying for a while, I believe May is an out-out-out enthusiast and views any damage to the UK economy, prestige, influence and whatnot as being a worthwhile price to pay to achieve her objective :(
 
Strawberry said:
I like the idea, but I can't see the EU parliament allowing it. Mind you, I have an Irish passport so I can keep EU citizenship anyway.
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I'm getting one of these as well. But the idea that citizens can pay as individuals to opt in to treaties with other countries, that their government doesn't want the country to enter into, seems very odd indeed. I've literally never thought of that. Any precedents?
 
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