New telepathy test, the sequel.

[fagin]

I've heard of grasping at straws, but your straws are bananas.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I think I can claim a hit here, because I described a flying submarine that was all of the possible choices except an automobile. It seems fairly clear that that's exactly what someone engaged in a criminal conspiracy to hide the truth about telepathy would say.

Dave

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I heard a dog bark with amusement and excitation. So, I stopped typing, I raised my arm, and pointed towards him/her, and the window, and the barking immediately stopped, even though, on my sixth floor, I couldn't see the dog, and the dog couldn't see me.

So was the dog amused because he could hear what you were typing? Is that your claim?

Just so we know, you think you are telepathic because once, a dog stopped barking? Can you repeat that "experiment"?

 

[Michel H]

So was the dog amused because he could hear what you were typing? Is that your claim?

Just so we know, you think you are telepathic because once, a dog stopped barking? Can you repeat that "experiment"?

So was the dog amused because he could hear what you were typing? Is that your claim?

The dog began barking a few seconds after I had written ' the word I wrote and surrounded was "automobile" '. I suspect this was no accident, that he chose his/her moment, shortly after I had revealed the correct answer (this was of course an important part of my post). I cannot, however, be 100% sure of this.

Just so we know, you think you are telepathic because once, a dog stopped barking? Can you repeat that "experiment"?

I often make these observations of telepathic dogs, so this is something that's very much repeatable.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

The dog began barking a few seconds after I had written ' the word I wrote and surrounded was "automobile" '. I suspect this was no accident, that he chose his/her moment, shortly after I had revealed the correct answer (this was of course an important part of my post). I cannot, however, be 100% sure of this.

I often make these observations of telepathic dogs, so this is something that's very much repeatable.

Again I stress, To you it's apparent, the reality of the situation is as usual the polar opposite.

Why not record this "apparent" phenomenon, If anything it be a start as your 0% in tests so far.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

So was the dog amused because he could hear what you were typing? Is that your claim?

Just so we know, you think you are telepathic because once, a dog stopped barking? Can you repeat that "experiment"?

The dog began barking a few seconds after I had written ' the word I wrote and surrounded was "automobile" '. I suspect this was no accident, that he chose his/her moment, shortly after I had revealed the correct answer (this was of course an important part of my post). I cannot, however, be 100% sure of this.

You are now claiming two totally different things.

You are now claiming dogs around the world can read your thoughts as you type the word "automobile".

You previously claimed that dogs were upset because you said "dogs could not read"

Which is the correct story? If you cannot remember, well that indicates you simply made a mistake and you are not telepathic and we can drop this story.

I often make these observations of telepathic dogs, so this is something that's very much repeatable.

Questions Michel H refuses to answer.
1) If it is repeatable, the why do you refuse to undergo a test with animals, where you make them do something? (This eliminates humans, who you arbitrarily dismiss as "credible" and "non credible").

2) How do you know all dogs "around the world" received this message as you claimed?

3) How do you know the dog was "amused"? Did the one dog send you back a message "I am amused" or did all the dogs around the world send you a message "we are amused"?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

You are now claiming two totally different things.

You are now claiming dogs around the world can read your thoughts as you type the word "automobile".

You previously claimed that dogs were upset because you said "dogs could not read"

Which is the correct story? If you cannot remember, well that indicates you simply made a mistake and you are not telepathic and we can drop this story.



Questions Michel H refuses to answer.
1) If it is repeatable, the why do you refuse to undergo a test with animals, where you make them do something? (This eliminates humans, who you arbitrarily dismiss as "credible" and "non credible").

2) How do you know all dogs "around the world" received this message as you claimed?

3) How do you know the dog was "amused"? Did the one dog send you back a message "I am amused" or did all the dogs around the world send you a message "we are amused"?

I suspect the truth is closer to, A dog was barking outside while he was making his recent failing test, At some point the dog stopped and because Michel can and will contort events into his narrative he took that a s a sign the dog heard his thoughts.

 

[AdMan]

I don't fully understand why people keep responding to Michael's tests, whether seriously or in jest, unless they are new to his posts.

Michael will never accept any argument showing he is not truly telepathic. He's made up his mind. (It is curious, because the fact he keeps posting his "tests" shows there is still some doubt somewhere in him, but that doubt has never really been apparent beyond the interminable posting of his decidedly unscientific "tests".)

Joking or sarcastic responses are useless, because Michael will either not get the joke or sarcasm, or will explain it away and figure out a convoluted way in which the response actually supports his own foregone conclusions.

Urging Michael to seek medical help to try to solve his problems would seem to be an adequate approach, but unfortunately Michael has continually rejected such suggestions.

So I continue to think ignoring the "tests" is probably best. I urge everyone to seriously consider this as the best approach.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Oddly enough, I thought of Kate Upton riding a rhombus shaped skateboard. Do I score any points?

Well, if your answer can be vaguely fitted to one of the answers then the round peg will be relentlessly hammered into the square hole and considered a hit. If not you will be declared insincere and discarded. The only way that ANYONE walks away from this game with any honour is by refusing to play, as others have said it is better not to encourage this delusion.

(Nb. I was was going to give an example of how your obviously joke answer could be fitted to one of the options but I don't want to risk being coincidentally right).

I do not think my latest test on this forum:

was a failure, and I would like to explain why.

First of all, the word I wrote and surrounded was "automobile". The sentence I used to produce the hash mentioned above was:
The word iz closely related to "car" and starts with §è the letter "a".
(a little note here: Right after I wrote "The sentence I used to produce" above [two lines ago], I heard a dog bark with amusement and excitation. So, I stopped typing, I raised my arm, and pointed towards him/her, and the window, and the barking immediately stopped, even though, on my sixth floor, I couldn't see the dog, and the dog couldn't see me).

To my great regret, nobody answered clearly one of the four possible answers of this test. However, Yeggster said:
, which resembles "You have circled an automobile". Therefore, it is fair to say (it seems to me) that he suggested the correct answer, rather than giving it clearly.

DuvalHMFIC, who gave an answer related to the correct one in the previous test (link) said:

Like when fagin answered "train" instead of "automobile" in the first "automobile- boat - plane - submarine" test I did on this forum (link), I believe it is fair to say that DuvalHMFIC's answer is related to the correct one, because a skateboard is a simple wheeled ground vehicle. In addition, a rhombus is a quadrilateral, like (roughly) a car (and unlike planes, submarines, and most boats). So, I think DuvalHMFIC would indeed probably deserve a few points if these tests gave points.

p0lka replied:

Hedgehogs are terrestrial four-legged animals, and are therefore more closely related to automobiles than to boats, planes or submarines (he didn't answer a bird or a fish for example - aquatic birds like ducks or swans might be reminiscent of boats).

Called it!

 

[MetalPig]

IIRC, Kate Upton has two very nice flotation devices, which makes DuvalHMFIC's answer more related to 'boat'.

Also, motorboating

 

[turingtest]

I don't fully understand why people keep responding to Michael's tests, whether seriously or in jest, unless they are new to his posts.

Michael will never accept any argument showing he is not truly telepathic. He's made up his mind. (It is curious, because the fact he keeps posting his "tests" shows there is still some doubt somewhere in him, but that doubt has never really been apparent beyond the interminable posting of his decidedly unscientific "tests".)

Joking or sarcastic responses are useless, because Michael will either not get the joke or sarcasm, or will explain it away and figure out a convoluted way in which the response actually supports his own foregone conclusions.

Urging Michael to seek medical help to try to solve his problems would seem to be an adequate approach, but unfortunately Michael has continually rejected such suggestions.

So I continue to think ignoring the "tests" is probably best. I urge everyone to seriously consider this as the best approach.

Michel's "barking dog" story is, to me, the dog that didn't bark- the clue that either he's having us all on, or having himself on in such a way that nothing anybody says here can fix it; either way, not worth responding to.

 

[Donn]

Michel's "barking dog" story is, to me, the dog that didn't bark- the clue that either he's having us all on, or having himself on in such a way that nothing anybody says here can fix it; either way, not worth responding to.

If this is all the tale of some shaggy dog, I stand in addled awe of the perseverance and longevity of the con. After a point, a Troll becomes Ouroboros; we can leave it to dine on regurgitation.

 

[turingtest]

If this is all the tale of some shaggy dog, I stand in addled awe of the perseverance and longevity of the con. After a point, a Troll becomes Ouroboros; we can leave it to dine on regurgitation.

I like that- a story that's all scatter-shot build with no real reveal. Delusion or purposeful, pointless either way.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

IIRC, Kate Upton has two very nice flotation devices, which makes DuvalHMFIC's answer more related to 'boat'.

Also, motorboating

That's so much better than the lame justification I was going use (and WAAAAY better than Michel's!).

 

[Nay_Sayer]

I don't fully understand why people keep responding to Michael's tests, whether seriously or in jest, unless they are new to his posts.

Michael will never accept any argument showing he is not truly telepathic. He's made up his mind. (It is curious, because the fact he keeps posting his "tests" shows there is still some doubt somewhere in him, but that doubt has never really been apparent beyond the interminable posting of his decidedly unscientific "tests".)

Joking or sarcastic responses are useless, because Michael will either not get the joke or sarcasm, or will explain it away and figure out a convoluted way in which the response actually supports his own foregone conclusions.

Urging Michael to seek medical help to try to solve his problems would seem to be an adequate approach, but unfortunately Michael has continually rejected such suggestions.

So I continue to think ignoring the "tests" is probably best. I urge everyone to seriously consider this as the best approach.

Neither do yet it keeps happening.

 

[abaddon]

The dog began barking a few seconds after I had written ' the word I wrote and surrounded was "automobile" '. I suspect this was no accident, that he chose his/her moment, shortly after I had revealed the correct answer (this was of course an important part of my post). I cannot, however, be 100% sure of this.

I often make these observations of telepathic dogs, so this is something that's very much repeatable.

Sorry. Not playing your game. You are not telepathic. Nobody hears your thoughts, not even dogs.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I don't think Michel persists with his 'tests' due to any lingering doubt. Rather I suspect he would like to gather evidence that the entire human race is conspiring to pretend we can't hear him.



Ideally he would like solid, undeniable evidence so he can say "There! That proves you can hear me".



It's hard to imagine what it must be like to be unshakably convinced of something so absurd. I wish there was something we could say that might help but although we can reason with Michel, I don't think Michel's problem can be reasoned with.

 

[fromdownunder]

I don't think Michel persists with his 'tests' due to any lingering doubt. Rather I suspect he would like to gather evidence that the entire human race is conspiring to pretend we can't hear him.

...and all the cats and dogs.

Norm

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

When do I get my prize?

 

[Giordano]

Thoughts are based on electro-chemical events. The electro-chemical events producing a particular belief can be caused by the experience of real events, or can be caused by internal changes in the the brain unrelated to real events. The belief can be just as strong in either case because it is ultimately manifested by, and based on, the same chemical events in the brain.

One can honestly, firmly, and sincerely believe something, such that one can transmit thoughts to others or to animals, whether one actually experienced these events or only thinks that one did. In either case, evidence to the contrary is likely to be ignored and/or manipulated to match the belief, because the belief itself is (to the person holding it) obviously true. They may have some part of their brain that is unsure, but the more powerful and emotionally driven part is sure.

This is why I do not think that Michel H is trying to pull our legs. I am convinced that he very much believes he can broadcast his thoughts. Feel free to choose which explanation appeals to you- I know which one I've chosen, and why I usually try to avoid participating in this thread. Sorry to be repetitive when I do.