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Question about crop circles

jakesteele said:
Debunkers think all UFO pics are fake, especially the "real" ones!
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I think that unlikely. We've all seen pictures of unidentified objects in the sky, and there have been references to them in several threads on this forum. I've never seen anyone saying "this isn't a real picture". What I have seen is many debunkers saying "this is not proof of the existence of visiting aliens", and listing other, more plausible, explanations for the images.
As always, I am happy to be proved wrong (because this means I've learned something). Do you have any verified pictures of visiting aliens or their spacecraft, that have been dismissed as fakes by debunkers?
 
If just relying on Googled images, ask him to provide for you photos of the circles he considers to have some otherworldly origin and those he thinks were fakes made my human pranksters.

Then - and don't tell him about this ahead of time - compare the color of the fields between the "real ones" and the "fakes". I'll predict a preponderance of real ones that were green and fake ones that were straw-colored.
 
abaddon said:
Am I the only one who remembers "Spirograph"?

Crop circles are no more difficult, just bigger.
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Crop circles are yet another iteration of the theme, "I can't figure out how it was done, therefore aliens".

Many believers in extraterrestrial visitation are remarkably bad at figuring out how to do simple things.
 
abaddon said:
Am I the only one who remembers "Spirograph"?
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No. It was brilliant.

abaddon said:
Crop circles are no more difficult, just bigger.
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Easier, in fact, because Spirograph just had an up&down and a side-to-side function, making circles and curves difficult to control. In real life, setting out perfect circles is easy.
 
CORed said:
Crop circles are yet another iteration of the theme, "I can't figure out how it was done, therefore aliens".
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a.k.a. Giorgio's Law

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As humans are getting more adept at creating crop circles, aliens are emulating them perfectly so that you cannot see any difference ...
 
JesseCuster said:
Or: "Just because you can show that some of them were done by humans doesn't mean that others weren't done by aliens."
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My woo-prone friends gave me this response when I showed them a video demonstrating how simple the process was with boards and ropes. My friends had provisions and qualifiers, such that, oh sure -- those circles were mashed down by human beings with planks. But these circles over here -- why, these are too elaborate for such a simplistic methodology to explain!

I responded: "We have direct, unarguable evidence that the circles can be made by human beings. Do you have any evidence that extraterrestrials, spirit-beings or mystical forces are responsible for any circles?" The response, much like jakesteele's was "No, we just know." :rolleyes:
 
Still can't find any film of stalks being bent. Yes, there's plenty of film of people making crop circles. But they never go in close on the stalks to show them bent rather than broken.

And yes, if he asserts that stalks cannot be bent by boards then that is his positive assertion to prove. But equally, if I assert that bending rather than breaking stalks can be done with boards, then I am also making a positive assertion and I have a burden of proof too.

And it's not like I'm being asked to prove the impossible here. If stalks can be bent with a board then this should be very easy to prove, yes? Just a clip of somebody doing so.
 
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Seismosaurus said:
Still can't find any film of stalks being bent. Yes, there's plenty of film of people making crop circles. But they never go in close on the stalks to show them bent rather than broken.

And yes, if he asserts that stalks cannot be bent by boards then that is his positive assertion to prove. But equally, if I assert that bending rather than breaking stalks can be done with boards, then I am also making a positive assertion and I have a burden of proof too.

And it's not like I'm being asked to prove the impossible here. If stalks can be bent with a board then this should be very easy to prove, yes? Just a clip of somebody doing so.
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Surely it's not rocket science. Green stems can bend, dry stems break.

Disregarding that, it seems as if the actual issue is aliens did the real ones. Personally I would just tell him he's a knob and walk away. Life is too short.
Maybe he's just taking the piss with you.
 
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