When will the AE911 petition finally reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

[Oystein]

Is this all your own work or does it come from some fan site?

My own work, or else I would provide citations and give credit. I know, those are alien concepts to many truthers.

 

[trustbutverify]

My own work, or else I would provide citations and give credit. I know, those are alien concepts to many truthers.

Using the word alien and truthers in the same sentence could seriously derail this thread.

 

[Criteria]

I haven't posted graphs for the development of the Petition in a long while.

Without much comment, let me quickly dump where they were at the end of October 2016:

|A&E|Other Supporters
monthly| | [qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/AE911T/th_OS_Month_PerDay_20161101_zpstof9ekn3.gif[/qimg]
quarterly| | [qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/AE911T/th_OS_Quarter_PerDay_20161101_zpsfzad4zrq.gif[/img]
annually| |

And here my favorite graph, which shows how much better or worse each quarter-year did compared to the quarter one year earlier:



This demonstrates alternating long phases of effort and long phases of decline. The current phase, which began a year ago, is mostly their continued effort to verify and add to the online DB signatures they collected on paper at various professional conventions since May 2015, after they had almost stopped verifying any signatures for a year previous to that. Since they hardly collected any paper signatures from non-professional fools, the development of the "Other signers" has mostly decoupled from the A&E: The latter seem to be doing relatively well, the former continue to decline into obscurity.

Is this all your own work or does it come from some fan site?

My own work, or else I would provide citations and give credit.

I know, those are alien concepts to many truthers.

My guess is the average reader is wondering why anyone would waste so much time and energy on such a pointless exercise.

Ask all the smart pollsters whose analysis determined Hillary to be a statistical 'shoo-in'.

Your statistical analysis is little more than doodling.

 

[Oystein]

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My guess is the average reader is wondering why anyone would waste so much time and energy on such a pointless exercise.

Ask all the smart pollsters whose analysis determined Hillary to be a statistical 'shoo-in'.

Your statistical analysis is little more than doodling.

AE911T is spending money and time to pimp those numbers - do you have a guess why they do that? Is that a waste of time and energy, too?

They write newsletters celebrating so-and-so many onehundredthousands of Likes, or so-and-so many new signatures from this or that convention - but the facts are that the vast majority of Likes are faked and bought, and the signatures don't actually materialize.
They announce at the beginning of the year that they want to reach 3,000 signature by 9/11/2016 - but fail to announced they FAILED to reach that goal by a wiiiiiiiiide margin.
Most of all, they pretend year after year after year how the Twoof Movement is growing ever closer to the tipping point as it reaches the masses and millions - while all of that is removed from the truth by orders of magnitude and there is practically no growth any longer - certainly no organic growth (there never was organic growth at any time after 2006)
Doesn't all of this strike you as systematically fraudulent?

My effort is spent to demask AE911T more and more as the fraud they are.

 

[beachnut]

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Ask all the smart pollsters whose analysis determined Hillary to be a statistical 'shoo-in'.

Your statistical analysis is little more than doodling.

It expose Richard Gage as an idiot with a pathetic following of less than 0.1 percent of all engineers.

And your post about 'shoo-in', you have fallen for the BS story, a made up story to sell soap, that the polls failed. A story to keep the masses amused, as the MSM sells soap, and fools gullible people with a fake story about polls. What is the error... lol, math, not used by 9/11 truth pushers of woo.

A few seconds of doodling, exposes Gage as a failure. Why are you doodling lies from 9/11 truth? Why can't you see the fraud of 9/11 truth.

 

[Notconvinced]

Is this all your own work or does it come from some fan site?

As a true fan of AE911's mission, I'll point out to the board that they now have over 2700 verified professionals, with an increasing number of ivy league, ex-military, and retired defense contractor signatories.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

My guess is the average reader is wondering why anyone would waste so much time and energy on such a pointless exercise.


Your statistical analysis is little more than doodling.

At least Oystein has statistical analysis.
Compare with this, if you please:

As a true fan of AE911's mission, I'll point out to the board that they now have over 2700 verified professionals, with an increasing number of ivy league, ex-military, and retired defense contractor signatories.

No detail at all: no names, no numbers, no links, nothing. Just bare assertion.

Here, in a nutshell, is the difference between the truthers and the debunkers.

 

[Georgio]

Here, in a nutshell, is the difference between the truthers and the debunkers.

Very bad timing for that statement as the post immediately before Notconvinced's is also a perfect match for your description (No detail at all: no names, no numbers, no links, nothing. Just bare assertion.):

And your post about 'shoo-in', you have fallen for the BS story, a made up story to sell soap, that the polls failed. A story to keep the masses amused, as the MSM sells soap, and fools gullible people with a fake story about polls. What is the error... lol, math, not used by 9/11 truth pushers of woo.

 

[Criteria]

"My guess is the average reader is wondering why anyone would waste so much time and energy on such a pointless exercise.

Ask all the smart pollsters whose analysis determined Hillary to be a statistical 'shoo-in'.

Your statistical analysis is little more than doodling."

"AE911T is spending money and time to pimp those numbers - do you have a guess why they do that? Is that a waste of time and energy, too?"

The 'pimping' is the self promotion of your time and effort to "squeeze blood from a stone".

In this case your exhaustive and ultimately superficial analysis of AE911T's membership list.

"They write newsletters celebrating so-and-so many onehundredthousands of Likes, or so-and-so many new signatures from this or that convention - but *the facts are that the vast majority of Likes are faked and bought, and the signatures don't actually materialize."

*You are surmising the truth that appeals to you.

AE911T is essentially a professional lobby.

How are they atypical of such a lobby?

A lobby organization spawned by concerned citizens who want to know the truth about 9/11?

In case you haven't noticed, 9/11 created an America so desperate that, for better or for worse, we now have President Donald Trump.

 

[LSSBB]

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The 'pimping' is the self promotion of your time and effort to "squeeze blood from a stone".

In this case your exhaustive and ultimately superficial analysis of AE911T's membership list.


*You are surmising the truth that appeals to you.

AE911T is essentially a professional lobby.

How are they atypical of such a lobby?

A lobby organization spawned by concerned citizens who want to know the truth about 9/11?

In case you haven't noticed, 9/11 created an America so desperate that, for better or for worse, we now have President Donald Trump.

What an amazingly fact and content free post. The only significant lobbying by AE911 is of their donors, to keep their self-licking ice cream cone going. Oh wait, they managed tangentially to get a clarification on a 1" drawing discrepancy. In all their years of existence.

 

[beachnut]

... to "squeeze blood from a stone".

Like evidence to support 9/11 truth dumbed down claims, like "squeezing blood from a stone". Where is 9/11 truth evidence? Yes, the empty set.

In this case your exhaustive and ultimately superficial analysis of AE911T's membership list.

proves 9/11 truth is a fringe group of nuts who believe in lies about 9/11. A cult, a religion of woo.

You are surmising the truth that appeals to you.

Surmising, perfect for the liars like Gage. You failed to realize there is only evidence against 9/11 truth claims, no evidence for support.

AE911T is essentially a professional lobby.

Based on lies and BS. The super-nano-BS Lobby, based on extra ignorance.

How are they atypical of such a lobby?

Spreading lies, no value. Fooling paranoid conspiracy theorists who can't think for themselves - What a lobby.

A lobby organization spawned by concerned citizens who want to know the truth about 9/11?

A lobby spawned by complete and willful ignorance; spreading lies about 9/11.

In case you haven't noticed, 9/11 created an America so desperate that, for better or for worse, we now have President Donald Trump.

? Got some evidence for this? No. 9/11 truth, an opinion based failed lobby spreading lies dumbed down to fool the gullible.

 

[Myriad]

As a true fan of AE911's mission…

If I were a true fan of AE911's mission, I'd be more than a little disappointed that they have done so little to forward that mission. They say they have over 2700 verified professionals but they can't get professional studies done or professional papers written.

Lack of success is excusable, when the mission is challenging. I still give money to environmental organizations that support anti climate change measures, despite carbon emissions being worse than ever. But I know they're engaging in actions favoring that cause, including lobbying (actual face to face meetings with actual pubic officials and community leaders), education and outreach (public face to face discussions, panels, and talks, with real people who are not necessarily already supporters, offered for no charge), and research. I know this because they publish frequent progress reports for their projects, and also because they seek to involve me in those projects when my capabilities are applicable to the task.

If all they were doing were taking my money, and using it to build their mailing list of more people to ask for money, that would quickly result in the cessation of my support.

 

[Oystein]

As a true fan of AE911's mission, I'll point out to the board that they now have over 2700 verified professionals, with an increasing number ivy league, ex-military, and retired defense contractor signatories.

How do you know any of the increase comes from ivy league, ex-military, and retired defense contractors?

AE has an organized process to add signatures.
They do not have an organized process to remove the signatures of those who change their mind^[*]. That's why the only way is up.

However, the increase is miniscule. There is no organic growth, and no hope at all to ever make the total number significant within our lifetimes.
Essentially, they are adding almost zero to almost zero and get almost zero still.


^[*] It appears obvious for example that many of those architects who paper-signed at the 2015 and 1016 AIA conventions had second thoughts, as nowhere near the announced number of signers could ever be verified to the online petition.

 

[Oystein]

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In case you haven't noticed, 9/11 created an America so desperate that, for better or for worse, we now have President Donald Trump.

First Gage (and Fetzer and Wood and Griffin and Bollyn and ...), now Trump. Yes. This was a hugely successful terror attack that KSM and OBL hatched there. America going bonkers

 

[Oystein]

"News" have been published at a very slow pace at ae911truth.org lately. Only one item per month the last three months.

Yesterday this:
AE911Truth Goes Grassroots at State Architecture Conventions
I quote the bit that interests me:

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At the five state conventions we've attended thus far — in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Ohio, and New Jersey — ...
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One of every three who look at the video end up signing AE911Truth’s petition on the spot. Nearly 100 attendees of the state conventions we have been to so far have added their names to the growing list of sponsors of next year’s WTC 7 resolution.

100 new sponsors for next year's AIA resolution.
No number for new petition signers - but sounds to me as if that number is even higher than 100.

Currently, they have officially 2722 verified A&E signatures. That's up 368 since before the AIA Convention two and a half years ago. Since then, they have on at least four occasions reported to have collected 100+ more signatures. Obviously, those can't all have been verified. And it seems to follow that, in addition to those hand-collected signatures, they get almost nothing anymore from the online form.

 

[JSanderO]

It hardly matters... the ignorant and uninformed will buy their slick pitch and not much will change. Money will continue to trickle in... but I suspect their old supporters will not not be carrying on their financial support. They will change nothing... only represent a false hope for the fanatics who don't ever believe anything from the USG or the media... both of which do spin all the time. The problem is that both the USG and the media contain enough elements of truth the figure things out... the alt sources such as AE contain no real facts or *revelations*... it's all marketing and shock and awe.

It's a way to identify the naive and the gullible.

 

[Criteria]

It hardly matters... the ignorant and uninformed will buy their slick pitch and not much will change. Money will continue to trickle in... but I suspect their old supporters will not not be carrying on their financial support. They will change nothing... only represent a false hope for the fanatics who don't ever believe anything from the USG or the media... both of which do spin all the time. The problem is that both the USG and the media contain enough elements of truth the figure things out... the alt sources such as AE contain no real facts or *revelations*... it's all marketing and shock and awe.

It's a way to identify the naive and the gullible.

It appears that in your view of the world, major corporations selling News-for-profit should be granted more trust than small not-for-profit organizations.

You are content to believe that Mass Media is promoting sufficient "elements of truth" that you can figure out what it is they never want to talk about.

The National Mass Media have never sanctioned an in-depth balanced story about WTC7 or nano-thermite.

And it is not from lack of public interest!

As long as controversial News stories are vetted by those who really decide what gets published, corporate management, the Mass Media will continue to practise News Avoidance.

In all honesty, can you not admit that your past toxic history with the AE911T management has poisoned your opinion about them?

 

[Oystein]

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The National Mass Media have never sanctioned an in-depth balanced story about WTC7 or nano-thermite.

And it is not from lack of public interest!
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It is precisely from lack of public interest! No one gives a damn.

The only story about WTC7 and thermite themselves is that it really is no story, just a fool's errand and a hoax; the only story is this tiny tiny insignificant fringe of fools who harrass professionals and a gullible few at conventions, occasionally on the street, and on YouTube. And because these gullibles are so few and so insiginificant, no one should give a damn.
And so no one gives a damn, really.
Those few they harrass so much at the AIA national and state conventions that they sign the bogus petitions obviously often have second thoughts - their names never appear on the lists, evan after YEARS.
And no one gives a damn, really, except me, who faithfully documents this ongoing failure.

 

[jaydeehess]

It appears that in your view of the world, major corporations selling News-for-profit should be granted more trust than small not-for-profit organizations.

"not-for-profit" supposedly gains in veracity solely by that measure?

Really??

 

[Oystein]

At Metabunk, Mick West wrote a nice piece demasking another AE911T propaganda piece:

False Authority: "Thoughts From a Former NIST Employee" on 9/11

Short verion:
A former NIST employee who had nothing to do with the WTC investigations and who has absolutely no background in engineering, forensics or any other relevant education whatsoever, watched CT "documentaries" on YT and now repeats the same old, long debunked talking points ("free fall!" etc).
AE911T spins this as if this guy were an authority worth listening to.