The Unofficial Election 2016 Results Thread PLEASE

wareyin said:
We may be speaking past each other here. I'm not claiming anything like this. I'm claiming that Rural America is not going to vote Democrat. Clinton lost this election because fewer Democrats voted this time compared to Obama. Romney got more votes last election than Trump got this election, too.

Democrats attempting to appeal to rural America is a good idea in principle, but in practice, can you show me any rural areas that have voted Dem in, say, the last 30 years? 40?
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Just to add to your point, I don't think the numbers bear the following out:
JoeBentley said:
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Like I said the demographics haven't changed that much. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were able to get enough of the rural white vote to win. George H.W. Bush was able to get enough of the urban vote to win.
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Michigan still hasn't been called by CNN. However, it looks like without a recount, it will end up in the Trump corner. Sad.

But not horribly surprising. They love their guns in these parts, or at least in the parts outside the suburbs. The automotive companies frequently observe Veterans Day on the first day of deer hunting season. (That's true)
 
cullennz said:
I know.

That's because he fixed relations with most countries in them.

Pick a country and google
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That's a complete cop-out and you know it.

Honestly, if you don't have evidence at hand for your claim, just say so. Telling someone just to google it really doesn't further your argument at all.

Mind, I don't have a dog in this fight. I have the impression that Obama was weak in foreign policy, but not dreadful. I expect that there are countries with whom we've improved relations, especially given the beating U.S. reputation suffered under Bush.

But if you're going to confidently assert this is the case, you ought to be prepared to provide evidence or backpedal.
 
Obama got all of Europe back from open-anti US sentiment (expect for Britain, which under Blair had been "for us, not against us").
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Yes, Clinton could have won if people hadn't chosen to abstain or vote 3rd party:
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And if the 47% of the electorate who didn't vote added Harambe as a write-in candidate, there could've been a dead gorilla in the White House.

We can't assume that all the third-party votes, spoiled ballots or whatever would've gone to Clinton. The people who are responsible for electing Trump are the ones who voted Trump, not those who voted their conscience.
 
wareyin said:
Do you honestly believe that rural America would have voted for any Democrat? Not today's Democrats, and not today's FOX News watching/AM talk radio listening rural America.
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Why not? They would vote for someone who they thought would represent their interests. Bernie Sanders drew support from working people. Joe Biden has never abandoned his small-town roots. It's astonishing to me that the billionaire son of a millionaire could present himself as a working class hero, and the Democrats and even his Repub opponents let him get away with it.
 
Bob001 said:
Why not? They would vote for someone who they thought would represent their interests. Bernie Sanders drew support from working people. Joe Biden has never abandoned his small-town roots. It's astonishing to me that the billionaire son of a millionaire could present himself as a working class hero, and the Democrats and even his Repub opponents let him get away with it.
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I've already explained why not. Rural areas vote Republican. In my rural area, the vast majority of politicians on my ballot were Republicans running unopposed. Bernie Sanders would not have won those over who are already screaming about socialism and lazy welfare moochers.
 
Cain said:
I'm not ready to buy this narrative either.
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I mean...I'm not sure that I'm selling one. I don't want to say that people voted for Trump because he's a misogynistic racist xenophobe, only that Trump ran as a misogynistic racist xenophobe and people voted for him. That is, it doesn't seem to have mattered to them very much.

Ultimately, what I take away from this election is that it's a lot like previous elections. Republicans came home and Democrats voted like they usually do, with the exception of the rust belt shift, which is consistent with the long trend that white blue collar workers are leaving the Democratic coalition. There are few surprises among the people who have told us who they voted for on this forum. Clinton didn't bring out minorities in the way Obama did, turnout was low, some support for third parties (although Johnson emerges as one of the losers of this election--this should have been the Libertarians' year). In the end, it was just another barely competitive general election.

The other thing I take away...lots of people seem to just want a guy like Trump. A crude, blustering, blowhard who says he will make everything better. I talked to an Indian immigrant a while back who told me he supported Trump. When I raised my eyebrows, he said (among other things) that he thought he would reduce green card wait times. Sure, ok. It almost didn't matter what he said--it's going to be great.

I think you're right to point out that the more mainstream Republicans would have done better against Clinton, probably even winning the popular vote. I'm not sure Bernie would have won against Trump, but I think Joe Biden probably would have. I'll miss The Onion's version of him.

In any case, we now have a president-elect who lacks the moral excellence necessary to serve as the host of Celebrity Apprentice.
 
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mumblethrax said:
I mean...I'm not sure that I'm selling one. I don't want to say that people voted for Trump because he's a misogynistic racist xenophobe, only that Trump ran as a misogynistic racist xenophobe and people voted for him. That is, it doesn't seem to have mattered to them very much.

Ultimately, what I take away from this election is that it's a lot like previous elections. Republicans came home and Democrats voted like they usually do, with the exception of the rust belt shift, which is consistent with the long trend that white blue collar workers are leaving the Democratic coalition. There are few surprises among the people who have told us who they voted for on this forum. Clinton didn't bring out minorities in the way Obama did, turnout was low, some support for third parties (although Johnson emerges as one of the losers of this election--this should have been the Libertarians' year). In the end, it was just another barely competitive general election.

The other thing I take away...lots of people seem to just want a guy like Trump. A crude, blustering, blowhard who says he will make everything better. I talked to an Indian immigrant a while back who told me he supported Trump. When I raised my eyebrows, he said (among other things) that he thought he would reduce green card wait times. Sure, ok. It almost didn't matter what he said--it's going to be great.

I think you're right to point out that the more mainstream Republicans would have done better against Clinton, probably even winning the popular vote. I'm not sure Bernie would have won against Trump, but I think Joe Biden probably would have. I'll miss The Onion's version of him.

In any case, we now have a president-elect who lacks the moral excellence necessary to serve as the host of Celebrity Apprentice.
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Stop the presses. I agree with mumblethrax.
 
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