Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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Wayward son said:
How does someone pardon someone else who has never been charged with anything, let alone convicted?
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It's doable and it's been done.

The leading Supreme Court case is Ex parte Garland (1867). Justice Stephen J. Field, writing for the Court in a 5-4 decision, held that the President's pardoning power is ''unlimited,'' and ''It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.''
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AlaskaBushPilot said:
It's going to be interesting to see how Obama threads this needle with pardons, or if he abandons Hillary...

Wikileaks just dumped three more loads of encrypted data, their Deadman Switch on yet more material to be leaked on the US Government.

The Podesta leaks were so fascinating I just followed their twitter directly and sundry social media sleuths piecing different parts with it together with the other avalanches of data.

One thing I picked up that I do not see much discussion on was Podesta and others, like Secretary Colin Powell talking about other communication channels. They had more than these emails outside of official government channels. I wonder what it was?

The material picked up by the New York City police department through their Weiner investigation (!) is yet to break. I don't mean Comey's lame renditions, but the evidence itself.

Who knows what Wikileaks has, but it's coming. I can hardly wait and I don't care who it brings down, the important thing is to have the public see how our government is being run. Up to now, it has become increasingly run as a crime syndicate by establishment insiders of both parties.

Who I trust is Wikileaks.
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I am gobsmacked about Republicans and fellow travellers looking forward to the next Wikileaks releases. The same people who wanted Assange extradited and tried for treason in the US, or even assassinated.

We need a much stronger word than hypocrisy.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
Really? See Ford's pardon of Nixon.
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There was no doubt that such a charge and a likely conviction was coming with Nixon. Outside of the fantasies of conspiracy theorists who have spent far too long in their echo chambers there is little chance of a charge coming against Clinton. If Wikileaks had anything they would have broadcasted it. The FBI has nothing.

On the one hand I would almost enjoy if the new lunatic administration went after Clinton so that she could once again show what mindless idiots they are, but Trump supporters have siloed themselves too much in their own echo chambers to learn anything from the failure it would be. They would just claim another conspiracy. I am ecstatic that recently moved back to Canada from the US.
 
Wayward son said:
"The latest ABC News survey reveals that, in fact, Clinton’s voters feel about as positively about their candidate as any candidate’s supporters have felt about their own preferred candidate since 1980. Trump voters are less enthusiastic about him: Since 1980, no group of supporters has been less affirmative in its support for its candidate.

Right now, 56 percent of Clinton voters say they are mainly for her compared with just 42 percent of the same voters who say they are voting against Trump.

In the same survey, only 41 percent of Trump supporters say they are voting for him, while 54 percent say they are mostly voting against Clinton."
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Really, you are going to credit this article (from a source who had Hillary at better than 65% likelihood of winning just a week ago as a credible and reliable source of information?) with vague polling data about generic R and D candidates as a refutation of my statement that a large fraction of people voting for Hillary didn't do it because they really liked Hillary and were excited about the policies she was supporting, but because they felt she was hopefully going to be at least a little better than Trump?

Would you consider 30% a large fraction of the Democratic voters? How about 40%? What about 43% is that a large fraction of her voters?
Would a much larger more enthusiastic Democratic turnout have kept Trump out of the White House?

Knowing all of this in advance, as many of us have explained over the last year and a half, it seems rather strange that so many Democratic leaders and voters chose to shoot themselves in the foot and tie both hands behind their back throughout the primaries and the general campaign. This election will forever be the epitome of Democratic leadership snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Neither candidate got as many votes as McCain did in 2008
 
Trakar said:
Neither candidate got as many votes as McCain did in 2008
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By the time the final 8% or so of the votes are counted both HC and DT will surpass McCain in 2008, as well as MR in 2012.

As to the rest of your post, polls showed that HC was popular among a high percentage of her voters, and a higher percentage of voters were voting for her than the percentage of DT voters were voting for him. The same goes for when you look at polls from recent elections. You are free to continue your hatred for her - I don't care.
 
Wayward son said:
By the time the final 8% or so of the votes are counted both HC and DT will surpass McCain in 2008, as well as MR in 2012.

As to the rest of your post, polls showed that HC was popular among a high percentage of her voters, and a higher percentage of voters were voting for her than the percentage of DT voters were voting for him. The same goes for when you look at polls from recent elections. You are free to continue your hatred for her - I don't care.
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I don't hate her, never have. I don't like her, I think that she was a horrible candidate for president. I would have been at the front of the line to monitor her activities in office and pushed hard to primary her out of office at the end of her term,...had she won. As she is no longer relevant to politics in the US, I don't really care much one way or the other about her going into the future.

Just trying to help the progressive supporters of hers who strayed, to better understand what has happened so that they may learn from those mistakes. We'll need them to help us restore the Democratic party to the progressive torchbearer it used to be while contesting every inch Trump and the conservatives try to lay claim to.

Likewise we need to reach out again to working class America and help them to understand all the ways societies work together to help, protect and enrich us all. Overreach is inevitable, and their corruption has never ended, we just need to pick at the scab hiding it and shine the bright lights upon it after it is exposed.
 
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Marcus said:
That makes no sense at all. The opinion that someone is not likeable is an impression, not something subject to additional information.
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You really think that people do not base their opinion of how likeable someone they have not and likely will never meet off of information? How do you think they decide how likeable someone is without information? Of course the source of that information is key, with FOX News and alt-right sources painting Clinton as the devil incarnate, while legit news organizations tried to be even handed.
 
Trakar said:
And what was the result of DNC engineering to eliminate Sanders and the Hillary fanatics doing everything they could to not only attack, but also bad mouth his supporters and try to shut them out of the Democratic party ?

Looks to me like it elected Trump.

What happened in your reality?
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Oh, you're still under the delusion that someone who lost by millions of votes would have won?
 
Wayward son said:
I don't know how true this is. If you look at HC's favourability rating you will see that they were consistently 50%+, and often into the 60s all throughout the 2000s and early 2010s. Her net favorability was +20s and sometimes +30s during this time. There really wasn't much of an effect from the far-right attacking her day in and day out for 30 years. People expect that generally just ignore it. It is only very recently that her favorability has fallen into the 30s and that her net favorability has turned to a negative score. And when you look at a graph of her favourability ratings it looks like a cliff.

In a couple months, Sanders did more damage to Clinton than the far-right managed to do in 25 years and then after claiming she was completely untrustworthy and basically the devil for months he told his followers that now they should vote for her.

Trump will probably not just replace Scalia, but also Kennedy, Ginsburg and Breyer with young Scalia clones. Even if a Sanders type gets elected President sometime in the next 30 years the Supreme court will assure that the only radical reforms that can occur are ones in the far-right direction. That will be Sanders legacy.
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I may be off, but it seems to me that Clinton's favorability plunged when she originally ran for senator, only to raise after voters realized she wasn't the demon they had been led to believe. Then it remained consistent until she ran for President, before dropping again.

Your point about Sanders legacy has got to sting, though.
 
It is Sander's fault now?

Hillary fans remain deluded about the fact she was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign
 
Argumemnon said:
Trump's campaign was horrible. How did he win, then?
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Imagine you work in a restaurant. Image you are taking a smoke break behind the dumpster with a couple of dish washers who are bitching about management and claiming they could run the store better.

That's who voted for trump.
 
NoahFence said:
He tapped into horrible people.

The country as a whole underestimated how many horrible people live here.
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Look at the county by county breakdown of your state. I've not yet found even one red county with a university or community college. Theyre all blue, surrounded by red, in every state I've looked at so far.
 
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