Split Thread Language and labels - paedophile or child-molester

[cullennz]

How is that relevant to your condemnation of pedophiles who don't ever touch children?



Calling child molesters "pedophiles" only serves to stigmatize pedophiles and may deter them from seeking help.

That quote is refering to kiddie fiddlers.

Ie Those who have fiddled with kids.

Not maybe might. Not could do.

Kiddie fiddlers

 

[mijopaalmc]

Here's more context for the quoted passage:

The article says "child-molesting", your headline says "paedophile".

When will people finally figure out that the two are not synonymous?

When it comes to kiddie fiddlers I tend not to be so pedantic.


Argueing exactly which type of kiddie fiddler diverts from the fact they are scum

Just my opinion

You are clearly responding to a poster who is distinguishing between and child molesters--a distinction that you appear to reject in your response. The whole point of the thread split was that "pedophile" refers to a sexual preference for prepubescent children, while "child molester" refers to someone who has engaged in sexual contact with a minor child. Since not all minor children are prepubescent and having sexual contact with an individual doesn't entail and is not entailed by having a sexual attraction to that individual, there are pedophiles who are not child molesters and child molesters who are not pedophiles. Your objection about "[a]rgueing (sic) exactly which type of kiddie fiddler diverts from the fact they are scum" is therfore a non seqitur--as is your red herring about allowing a pedophile to watch ones children--because neither necessarily refer to "kiddie fiddlers".

 

[cullennz]

Here's more context for the quoted passage:



You are clearly responding to a poster who is distinguishing between and child molesters--a distinction that you appear to reject in your response. The whole point of the thread split was that "pedophile" refers to a sexual preference for prepubescent children, while "child molester" refers to someone who has engaged in sexual contact with a minor child. Since not all minor children are prepubescent and having sexual contact with an individual doesn't entail and is not entailed by having a sexual attraction to that individual, there are pedophiles who are not child molesters and child molesters who are not pedophiles. Your objection about "[a]rgueing (sic) exactly which type of kiddie fiddler diverts from the fact they are scum" is therfore a non seqitur--as is your red herring about allowing a pedophile to watch ones children--because neither necessarily refer to "kiddie fiddlers".

I get it

But the article is about actual kiddie fiddlers

 

[mijopaalmc]

I get it

But the article is about actual kiddie fiddlers

And this thread is about proper terminology--which you have consistently and apparently dishonestly ignored.

 

[cullennz]

And this thread is about proper terminology--which you have consistently and apparently dishonestly ignored.

I only just noticed it had been split.

 

[cullennz]

My quotes from earlier when the topic of the thread was kiddy fliddlers are kind of irrelevant.

If it is only naming conventions and what pedos are called, I don't care

 

[mijopaalmc]

My quotes from earlier when the topic of the thread was kiddy fliddlers are kind of irrelevant.

If it is only naming conventions and what pedos are called, I don't care

It's not, unless you don't distinguish between thoughts and across.

 

[cullennz]

It's not, unless you don't distinguish between thoughts and across.

It's been split from one about pedo priests being "moved"

 

[cullennz]

It's not, unless you don't distinguish between thoughts and across.

It is to me

 

[mijopaalmc]

It is to me

So you admit to being unable to distinguish between thoughts and actions?

 

[cullennz]

So you admit to being unable to distinguish between thoughts and actions?

Of course not.

I just don't care that some people call pedos who don't act on the urges kiddie fiddlers.

It offends them. And rightly so.

But I am not going get into discussions over a pedos hurt feelings

 

[mijopaalmc]

Of course not.

I just don't care that some people call pedos who don't act on the urges kiddie fiddlers.

It offends them. And rightly so.

But I am not going get into discussions over a pedos hurt feelings

Why do you insist on calling people who have never fiddled with kiddies "kiddie fiddlers"?

 

[cullennz]

Why do you insist on calling people who have never fiddled with kiddies "kiddie fiddlers"?

I haven't

I said you are either a kiddie fiddler or not.

Easy

 

[mijopaalmc]

I haven't

I said you are either a kiddie fiddler or not.

Easy

But you are applying the term to people who aren't necessarily kiddie fiddlers of you call all pedophiles "kiddie fiddlers".

 

[cullennz]

But you are applying the term to people who aren't necessarily kiddie fiddlers of you call all pedophiles "kiddie fiddlers".

I didn't

Did you actually read my posts?

 

[Belz...]

I know everyone else can rape or not rape and pedos don't always carry out urges.

Because it is bleedn obvious.

Would you trust a pedo looking after kids alone.

It ain't that hard a question

I'm not answering your question until you address all of the point I've made to you. The question itself shows that you haven't learned anything from what people have told you. I'll answer it once you have.

 

[cullennz]

I'm not answering your question until you address all of the point I've made to you. The question itself shows that you haven't learned anything from what people have told you. I'll answer it once you have.

Pedos aren't always kiddie fiddlers.

Some people wrongly call them all kiddie fiddlers

We established this on page one.

I haven't called them kiddie fiddlers

For some odd reason people are saying I have for 3 pages

I just assumed they couldn't read because it is so bleedn obvious

But would you let a confessed pedo who isn't a kiddy fiddler look after kids alone

 

[quadraginta]

I know everyone else can rape or not rape and pedos don't always carry out urges.

Because it is bleedn obvious.

Would you trust a pedo looking after kids alone.

It ain't that hard a question

I'm not answering your question until you address all of the point I've made to you. The question itself shows that you haven't learned anything from what people have told you. I'll answer it once you have.

I'm still waiting for any of these clueless thought-police wannabees to explain exactly how they are going to determine that someone is a pedophile if that person hasn't acted on any of their 'urges'?

 

[Belz...]

Pedos aren't always kiddie fiddlers.

Some people wrongly call them all kiddie fiddlers

We established this on page one.

I haven't called them kiddie fiddlers

For some odd reason people are saying I have for 3 pages

I just assumed they couldn't read because it is so bleedn obvious

The fact that you keep asking whether we're let a pedophile near children shows that you don't understand the distinction, so the fault is entirely on you.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Gosh, whadda thread.

This split-off thread has as its title discussion of language differences. The terms under discussion can, depending on the user, signal a clear difference between thought and action, or overlap. To argue which is the superior case is to misunderstand language. There are no prohibitions in human language against semantic drift, synonyms, or even ignorant use of words mistaking their meaning. We generally understand one another, but no language is an unambiguous code for performing verbal Vulcan mind melds.

I mention this because recognition of these semantic differences, such as the use of the terms "manure" vs "****," should not signify one is doing anything other than comment on one's understanding of terms. A lexicological debate. I, for example, like neither manure nor ****, but can recognize which term is better for polite company. The steaming load I might have in mind stinks in both cases, regardless.

ETA: So, please, no conflating a wish to do dictionary work with defense of any actions of any kind. That would befit Trumpian ignorant slander.
ETAA: Thought, in my book, does not include action, but may or may not be its precursor. Case by case.