Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

[Dave Rogers]

Physical pieces of paper secured in an office are harder to hack than digitally held copies.

There's a name for that fallacy, but I can't remember it at the moment. Whether or not physical pieces of paper are easier or harder to hack than digitally held copies, we're talking about the difference between (a) only digital copies and (b) digital copies plus paper copies. The existence of paper copies inevitably makes documents less secure, because they add the vulnerabilities of paper copies to those of digital copies rather than replacing them.

Dave

 

[PhantomWolf]

I can see problems if classified material ended up on it and Weiner had no clearance.

Pretty big "if" considering that very small amount of it on Hillary's server, none of which was labelled correctly, and most of which was classified after the fact.

Anything that was classified would have had to have been forwarded to Abedin on a non-classified system, so the person at fault would be the sender, not Abedin anyways.

 

[PhantomWolf]

There's a name for that fallacy, but I can't remember it at the moment. Whether or not physical pieces of paper are easier or harder to hack than digitally held copies, we're talking about the difference between (a) only digital copies and (b) digital copies plus paper copies. The existence of paper copies inevitably makes documents less secure, because they add the vulnerabilities of paper copies to those of digital copies rather than replacing them.

Dave

Regardless, the emails from all reporting on the matter, are her Yahoo ones, which were forwarded from her non-classified State Department account, so there should be no classified materials on it unless someone else incorrectly forwarded them to her, and that would be their doing, not her's.

 

[varwoche]

Filling in the blanks for readers unfamilar with your sources:

Anyhow, I must prepare for a knee replacement next week. The election might be over. The choice of president to swear in may not, according to a tarot card reading.

 

[Tony Stark]

Filling in the blanks for readers unfamilar with your sources:

I wonder if the tarot cards tell him how Donald will be sworn in as President even if he loses the election.

 

[catsmate]

Analogy fail. It's hard to steal a candy bar and not know you were stealing.

Or even a car...

 

[The Don]

I wonder if the tarot cards tell him how Donald will be sworn in as President even if he loses the election.

I believe that this has been asserted...

 

[Bogative]

I'm still uncertain who the computer belonged to. If it was Huma's old computer and he was using it to surf porn when she was at work, that's different than it it was his computer and the emails ended up on it.

FBI gives no craps owned the computer when they seized it, they just grabbed all possible evidence piles; but it will be significant as this goes forward.

Abedin's attorney has said that computer belonged to Anthony Weiner.

"She only learned for the first time on Friday, from press reports, of the possibility that a laptop belonging to Mr. Weiner could contain emails of hers."

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Abedin's attorney has said that computer belonged to Anthony Weiner.

"She only learned for the first time on Friday, from press reports, of the possibility that a laptop belonging to Mr. Weiner could contain emails of hers."

Plausible Deniability strikes again!

 

[quadraginta]

It's the FBI's fault that Huma didn't disclose to them that she had another device with emails on it at an earlier date?

How do we know that she didn't?

She may well have told them that she was forwarding some email for the convenience of printing, and they didn't care at that time.

The Weiner investigation is an entirely different one. The people involved in that may have no idea what she told the investigators of the email snafu.

And Comey already said he didn't have any idea if there was anything there that actually had anything to do with the Hillary witch hunt when he made his oh-so-innocent announcement.

He was just reacting to what the Weiner investigators had told him, apparently without any actual, specific knowledge of the content of the email in question.

That isn't conjecture. That is what he stated outright in his letter to the Congresscritters.

 

[Belz...]

I hope Democrats have learned a lesson. Never appoint Republicans to positions of power.

In the current political American climate, it seems like a lose-lose situation: either you appear to be unwilling to cooperate or compromise with the opposition, or you allow them to use their own unwillingness to do the same to screw you over.

 

[Bogative]

Plausible Deniability strikes again!

Yeah, it's bit of a catch 22 for Abedin. She told the FBI she had surrendered all of her electronic devices that could possibly contain her emails. Claiming the computer belongs to Weiner will prevent her from getting charged for lying to the FBI. However, the FBI's going to want to know why State Department (possibly classified) emails to and from her are on someone's computer who doesn't have proper clearance.

 

[quadraginta]

Yeah, it's bit of a catch 22 for Abedin. She told the FBI she had surrendered all of her electronic devices that could possibly contain her emails. Claiming the computer belongs to Weiner will prevent her from getting charged for lying to the FBI. However, the FBI's going to want to know why State Department (possibly classified) emails to and from her are on someone's computer who doesn't have proper clearance.

If it turns out that there are, you mean.

 

[The Big Dog]

How do we know that she didn't?

She may well have told them that she was forwarding some email for the convenience of printing, and they didn't care at that time.

The Weiner investigation is an entirely different one. The people involved in that may have no idea what she told the investigators of the email snafu.

And Comey already said he didn't have any idea if there was anything there that actually had anything to do with the Hillary witch hunt when he made his oh-so-innocent announcement.

He was just reacting to what the Weiner investigators had told him, apparently without any actual, specific knowledge of the content of the email in question.

That isn't conjecture. That is what he stated outright in his letter to the Congresscritters.

email: pls print from [email protected]

FBI: Oh ****....

 

[Minoosh]

Is it in any doubt? Of course he did.

Obama doesn't think so.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Yeah, it's bit of a catch 22 for Abedin. She told the FBI she had surrendered all of her electronic devices that could possibly contain her emails. Claiming the computer belongs to Weiner will prevent her from getting charged for lying to the FBI. However, the FBI's going to want to know why State Department (possibly classified) emails to and from her are on someone's computer who doesn't have proper clearance.

But isn't the generic .gov email account at the state for unclassified work and for communicating with the outside world? Or do I have that wrong?

 

[Childlike Empress]

This here is funny, "Democratic strategist" James Carville totally losing it on MSNBC and claiming more than once per minute for 7 minutes or so that it's all "the KGB"'s fault. What happened to poor Putin, does the old knucklehead think he better uses the good old engrained trigger words now in emergency?

 

[Bogative]

If it turns out that there are, you mean.

Is there really any doubt, though? He said in his internal memo to the FBI that investigators from another case brought emails found during their investigation to his attention, that's why he requested the search warrant for Wiener's laptop.

If there are not emails on Wiener's computer from the State Department then someone in the FBI is lying, either the investigators on Wiener's case or the director himself. And whoever issued the search warrant fell for the ruse as well. Seems awful risky with such a high profile case just to try to influence an election in favor of a candidate that's going to lose anyway.

 

[Bogative]

But isn't the generic .gov email account at the state for unclassified work and for communicating with the outside world? Or do I have that wrong?

I can't say with any certainty if it was from the .gov address or Clinton's private server. She reported live on the air and I haven't been able to find a recording of it as of yet. I'll try to find a transcript and post it because I can't remember that specific detail now.

ETA: this segment aired right after Catherine Herridge's report and Megan Kelly says that they came from Clinton's email server.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5191873462001/?playlist_id=2694949842001#sp=show-clips

 

[plague311]

Is there really any doubt, though? He said in his internal memo to the FBI that investigators from another case brought emails found during their investigation to his attention, that's why he requested the search warrant for Wiener's laptop.

If there are not emails on Wiener's computer from the State Department then someone in the FBI is lying, either the investigators on Wiener's case or the director himself. And whoever issued the search warrant fell for the ruse as well. Seems awful risky with such a high profile case just to try to influence an election in favor of a candidate that's going to lose anyway.

From what I understand they didn't read the emails, they were going off of metadata. Two completely different things.