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Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

dudalb said:
Hard to say. I think many voter have already made up their minds vis a vis the emails.
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Agreed but I think almost all voters have decided how they are going to vote. Those few that haven't aren't going to swayed by this new email nonsense. Rather I think they are the type who will only make their final decision when they're in the voting booth. At that late date, who knows what will be the proximate cause of their decision.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
My choice has been abstain or Hillary.

This pushes me towards "abstain".

Cannot say how many like me there are.
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Why? You have NO new information. The fact that you would suggest that based on nothing more shows why the announcement is a really bad decision on Comey's part. It's putting his thumb on a a damn presidential election offering the voters nothing more than we ain't done yet.
 
acbytesla said:
That isn't my understanding.
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I think that this early in the news cycle, maybe certainty is hard to come by. I have a different impression about what's at issue than you do.

But let's look at what you quoted.

Comey's former colleagues said his public appearances last summer may have left the director feeling he had no choice but to let the public know when new information relevant to the case arose—in this instance, according to a U.S. official, emails obtained during an investigation into allegations that former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) exchanged sexually explicit messages with an underage girl.
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This passage does not say that no emails to or from Hillary were found. They said that emails relevant to the case (and hence having something to do with Hillary's server) were obtained during the (koff! koff!) weiner investigation.

I think we'll have to wait to be sure, but I think they must have found emails to or from someone using Hillary's server.

Any way you look at itl it is the same old, same old. Far too much of this investigation has been public when in fact, none of it should have been. It just invites innuendo and potentially adversely effects a national election.
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I don't know. I think it's good for the FBI to release the information now. If they didn't, then they would have been accused of influencing the election. If they do, they are also accused, but I think the accusation is stronger if they postpone relevant information rather than if they release it when they would if no election were happening.

It's a somewhat bad effect for Clinton's campaign, but I think the FBI's decision is reasonable.

That said, of course the US attorney you quoted who said no announcement was necessary knows rather more about this stuff than I do.
 
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Tony Stark said:
Because the FBI found some emails on a computer used by Huma Abedin that may not even be classified and were reportedly not sent by Hillary?
OK.
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Can you produce a reliable citation to this effect? I haven't seen one.

Thanks.
 
Tony Stark said:
What is pathetic is your strawman. I didn't say that he made me do it. But rather that continuing to respond kept a discussion that he had a problem with alive. Simply a fact.
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Let me point out something here, Tony.

My goal is not to stop you from foolishly repeating this childish speculation. If it were, then you're right that I should just stop responding. Rather, I work under the (doubtful) assumption that we can converse as adults converse, that I can give you arguments as to why it is not a good thing to keep repeating this nonsense and hopefully persuade you that such speculation is simply contrary to basic intellectual, moral and skeptical principles.

Obviously, I have failed to convince you, but I still think that treating you as if you were an adult is the appropriate choice. If you choose to respond by throwing a tantrum, so be it. Such behavior makes one of us look foolish, but I don't think it's me. Others may, of course, disagree.

So, feel free to repeat your silly gossip. And I will feel free to try and find arguments explaining why this is not a good thing to do. (I'm not sure I have much more to say on the matter, but we'll see.)
 
Stacko said:
It wasn't reopened take it to the Hillary thread.
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No need, I quite agree that it wasn't reopened, since it wasn't closed. I misunderstood your claim.

ETA: Stacko's right, of course, that this discussion belongs in the Hillary thread. Sorry for drifting off-topic.
 
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phiwum said:
I think that this early in the news cycle, maybe certainty is hard to come by. I have a different impression about what's at issue than you do.

But let's look at what you quoted.



This passage does not say that no emails to or from Hillary were found. They said that emails relevant to the case (and hence having something to do with Hillary's server) were obtained during the (koff! koff!) weiner investigation.

I think we'll have to wait to be sure, but I think they must have found emails to or from someone using Hillary's server.



I don't know. I think it's good for the FBI to release the information now. If they didn't, then they would have been accused of influencing the election. If they do, they are also accused, but I think the accusation is stronger if they postpone relevant information rather than if they release it when they would if no election were happening.

It's a somewhat bad effect for Clinton's campaign, but I think the FBI's decision is reasonable.

That said, of course the US attorney you quoted who said no announcement was necessary knows rather more about this stuff than I do.
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It's usually not done in any circumstance, let alone when elections are involved. As the allusion of wrongdoing is damaging and is never completely undone even with a full exoneration. What's bizarre about Comey's letter to Congress is that he suggests that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the new information.

And what does everyone do? EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS NOT TO DO. He basically was appeasing Republican leaders but doing it in such a way he could claim innocence. Hey everybody, Hillary didn't do anything illegal that justifies charges but that doesn't mean I think she should be President so I'll just innocently remind voters that we're not done. Not that we have found anything more incriminating than all the crap we've already looked through.

This is the second time he jumped into this election. He did it also when he criticized Clinton. This is not his job as a law enforcement officer.
 
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acbytesla said:
It's usually not done in any circumstance, let alone when elections are involved. As the allusion of wrongdoing is damaging and is never completely undone even with a full exoneration. What's bizarre about Comey's letter to Congress is that he suggests that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the new information.

And what does everyone do? EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS NOT TO DO. He basically was appeasing Republican leaders but doing it in such a way he could claim innocence. Hey everybody, Hillary didn't do anything illegal that justifies charges but that doesn't mean I think she should be President so I'll just innocently remind voters that we're not done. Not that we have found anything more incriminating than all the crap we've already looked through.

This is the second time he jumped into this election. He did it also when he criticized Clinton. This not his job.
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You should run a candidate that can't be hit by this kind of foul play. Libertarians nominated probably the most moral and ethical candidate of the whole field.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
You should run a candidate that can't be hit by this kind of foul play. Libertarians nominated probably the most moral and ethical candidate of the whole field.
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He's also an idiot with absurd policy proposals.

There isn't anything known to be damning on these new emails, only that they are new.
 
acbytesla said:
He's also an idiot with absurd policy proposals.

There isn't anything known to be damning on these new emails, only that they are new.
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Simply that they are announced will hurt her. The fact they nominated someone with such a self inflicted vulnerability is a problem.
 
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