Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

[Bob001]

I'll bet we get a large number of abstentions at the top of the ballot. I abstained from a presidential choice back in 2004, finding about Obama and McCain flawed in ways such that I really could not support either one.

Right now pretty sure I'll abstain unless I can find it in myself to hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But I doubt it.

By "abstain" I assume you mean you just won't cast a vote in that part of the ballot, but will vote for other candidates. I wonder what the outcome would be if voters could choose "None of the above" for each category.

 

[Steve]

But now we probably have the most ideal candidate making it a lot less hypothetical. Seems like a great time to get this out there.

Ok then, get it out there. Start a thread giving your position on the topic you have raised. it does not belong here.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

By "abstain" I assume you mean you just won't cast a vote in that part of the ballot, but will vote for other candidates. I wonder what the outcome would be if voters could choose "None of the above" for each category.

None Of The Above would only be allowed to serve two terms.

 

[Bob001]

Donald Trump's first D.C. connections:

In the fall of 1976, Fred Trump made a rare visit to a housing complex he owned in Seat Pleasant, Md. For months, Prince George’s County inspectors had complained of broken windows, rotted rain gutters and missing fire extinguishers at the 504-unit Gregory Estates. When the problems weren’t fixed, fed-up officials asked Trump to come down and meet in person.

The “meeting” however, was brief. As soon as the multimillionaire arrived, he was arrested and — to his outrage — briefly jailed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...4b07b8-8f08-11e6-9c52-0b10449e33c4_story.html

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Wow. You found McCain and Obama flawed 4 years before they ran

Oops!

Senior moment.

 

[cantonear1968]

A case with actual evidence that fraud or miscount occurred. It would be up to the judges to determine if the evidence was real or this was just a nuisaince suit...which the vast majority of Trump's lawsuits are.
You don't get that the case would have to work it's way up to the Supreme Court through the state and lower level Federal Courts. If the state court throw it out as without real merit, The Federal Courts would probably follow ,and the Supreme Court would not even hear the case.

Ok gotcha. Thank you for the explanation.

 

[slyjoe]

Oops!

Senior moment.

I have them more and more myself

 

[acbytesla]

I'll bet we get a large number of abstentions at the top of the ballot. I abstained from a presidential choice back in 2004, finding about Obama and McCain flawed in ways such that I really could not support either one.

Right now pretty sure I'll abstain unless I can find it in myself to hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But I doubt it.

There are very few blank votes or abstentions for President in any election. People show up to vote who haven't voted since the last Presidential election. Those not happy with the major party candidates usually just vote for someone else, but they vote for someone.

 

[Babbylonian]

There are very few blank votes or abstentions for President in any election. People show up to vote who haven't voted since the last Presidential election. Those not happy with the major party candidates usually just vote for someone else, but they vote for someone.

And when they're making their 2004 election decision based on their feelings about Obama and McCain, they certainly shouldn't be voting in any case.

 

[dudalb]

The same as an Emperor Norton.

THat is grossly unfair to Emperor Norton..........

 

[cantonear1968]

VP Biden just said he'd "like to take Trump out behind the gym".

I had reflections of Frankie Goes To Hollywood's Two Tribes video with "Reagan" and "Gorbechev" fighting!



But I mean this in the most bipartisan way when I say how much I'd like to see that!

 

[halleyscomet]

THat is grossly unfair to Emperor Norton..........

For starters, Emperor Norton never groped anyone that I know of.

VP Biden just said he'd "like to take Trump out behind the gym".

I had reflections of Frankie Goes To Hollywood's Two Tribes video with "Reagan" and "Gorbechev" fighting!



But I mean this in the most bipartisan way when I say how much I'd like to see that!

I don't know. Watching Trump squeal like a pig as Biden effortlessly curb-stomps him would only be entertaining for a few seconds. If Biden does enough blunt force trauma damage it'll quickly get to the point where I start to feel sorry for Trump.

It would be like watching Winston Churchill pound Hitler to a bloody paste. Yeah, it would be justified, but sooner or later you're going to start to feel uncomfortable watching such a one-sided fight.

Now I want to create a "Historical Fisticuffs" game where you can play Winston Churchill as he beats up Adolf Hitler.

Abraham Lincoln tossing Jefferson Davis around like a rag doll.

Hillary Clinton Pummeling Donald Trump with jujitsu.

 

[phiwum]

From Reuters:

BREAKING: Donald Trump's lawyer asks judge to exclude his statements made during presidential campaign in trial over Trump University​

Seems reasonable to me. I don't see the relevance of his campaign statements or scandals to the Trump U fraud suit.

As I understand it, in criminal trials, one can't bring up other misdeeds of the accused. Of course, this is a civil matter, but I assume that similar restrictions apply. Someone may correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

[Agatha]

Please do not discuss the proposed assassination of presidential candidates, lest you inadvertently breach rule 1. There may well be a place where you can talk about murdering public figures; that place is not here. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha

 

[Garrison]

Seems reasonable to me. I don't see the relevance of his campaign statements or scandals to the Trump U fraud suit.

As I understand it, in criminal trials, one can't bring up other misdeeds of the accused. Of course, this is a civil matter, but I assume that similar restrictions apply. Someone may correct me if I'm mistaken.

I can see how certain things might be relevant, for example his campaign statements demonstrates that he lies frequently, which surely should be taken into account in assessing any statements he makes about the nature of his involvement in Trump U.

 

[cantonear1968]

For starters, Emperor Norton never groped anyone that I know of.



I don't know. Watching Trump squeal like a pig as Biden effortlessly curb-stomps him would only be entertaining for a few seconds. If Biden does enough blunt force trauma damage it'll quickly get to the point where I start to feel sorry for Trump.

It would be like watching Winston Churchill pound Hitler to a bloody paste. Yeah, it would be justified, but sooner or later you're going to start to feel uncomfortable watching such a one-sided fight.

Now I want to create a "Historical Fisticuffs" game where you can play Winston Churchill as he beats up Adolf Hitler.

Abraham Lincoln tossing Jefferson Davis around like a rag doll.

Hillary Clinton Pummeling Donald Trump with jujitsu.

I think it would be awesome! Two old fat guys huffing and puffing their way through a fight? That can't not be entertaining.

What was hard to watch was the last debate. It was over after 15 minutes. As I posted, after that it became hard to watch Clinton beating up on a racist, bloated orange.

 

[Bob001]

Seems reasonable to me. I don't see the relevance of his campaign statements or scandals to the Trump U fraud suit.

As I understand it, in criminal trials, one can't bring up other misdeeds of the accused. Of course, this is a civil matter, but I assume that similar restrictions apply. Someone may correct me if I'm mistaken.

Well, if someone in a criminal trial made public statements that contradicted his trial testimony, that could certainly be used against him. That's why defense lawyers tell their clients not to talk to anybody. There might also be evidence of a pattern of behavior; previous convictions (not arrests) can be introduced in court.

In Trump's case, his public statements about using other people's money, about shifting expenses to other parties, avoiding taxes etc. might well be used at a fraud trial, in addition to all his claims about how he personally selected Trump U. instructors, how his "students" will learn the secrets of success, etc., etc. The level of proof in a civil trial is lower than in a criminal trial; if you contend "This guy cheated me," and he has a proven history of cheating other people the same way, that supports the accusation.

 

[Stacko]

I can see how certain things might be relevant, for example his campaign statements demonstrates that he lies frequently, which surely should be taken into account in assessing any statements he makes about the nature of his involvement in Trump U.

He's probably contradicted things he said in his deposition given his compulsive lying.

 

[Bob001]

I think it would be awesome! Two old fat guys huffing and puffing their way through a fight? That can't not be entertaining.
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Biden's old, but he's not fat. As he had a hard-scrabble childhood and played football in high school and college, he's probably been in a few real fights, unlike Trump for sure. I suspect he would hand Trump his head, smiling all the while.

 

[newyorkguy]

...I was raised by a father who spit after saying "Nixon" or "Reagan" to "get the taste out."

If he's still around tell your Dad I said, "Right on!"

Like Palin, he will have a long, lucrative speaking/appearance career not to mention some kind of TV show that will come out of it.

I tried to check the latest, except it was hard to find anything definite, but I don't think Palin has had a long lucrative post-election career. More like a short lucrative career. Her TV network failed dismally and is no longer on the air.

In Donald Trump's case I suspect this will go down -- deciding to run for president -- as the worst decision he ever made. He's really made some enemies, many business people think the Trump "brand" is now toxic and, as has been mentioned, the people who adore him are not the right demographic to buy what Trump is selling. Although most of this won't register on The Don, given his apparently indestructible sense of self-grandeur, I have seen Manhattan bloggers suggest his daughter Ivanka may pay a price in the years ahead. She's in the fashion business and, at least in trendy urban circles, has made herself decidedly UN-fashionable.