Craig4
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Nor is it a picture of authenticity.
Split Thread Signs of the End Times
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Nor is it a picture of authenticity.
Paul Bethke
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It is a portrait of actuality.
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Your god is so incompetent that he is more likely to cut out his own tongue.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
You mean like the grass at the World Cup?
So rain falls to Earth out of holes in the sky, and these men can shut the holes. You do realise that this notion accords not at all well with modern understanding of meteorology?
Crossbow
Seeking Honesty and Sanity
You are quite correct, it is not a picture of docility.
Instead it is the picture of a person who has gone crazy from a personal encounter with a non-existent supernatural being. Such things have happened to quite a few people over the last several thousand years.
Border Reiver
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Really? Using actual historical examples, show where Yahweh used his "rod of iron" to punish the wicked.
Pro tip - the Bible is not a historical source.
Cosmic Yak
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And yet I am still here, begging you to show me the indisputable evidence the Bible states must already exist-and you ignore me!
As you're all about the truth, I'm sure you will have no problem showing that "immorality", as you define it, has increased over the years, and is now more widespread than before.
The way I see it, Paul,is that this has always gone on. There has always been homosexuality and adultery and there have always been failed marriages. The only difference is that now we as a society are acknowledging and legitimising these traits.The actual amount of "immorality" hasn't changed: we have just stopped pretending it doesn't happen, we have stopped pretending it's unnatural and we have stopped persecuting people for it.
Now, if you're going to claim that homosexuality is more frequent and widespread than before, and that this means the Day of Judgement is fast approaching, then where is your evidence?
Paul Bethke
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No I have not ignored you at all
Well as you say sexual immorality has always been there—but the increase is far more widespread than before—it is the legalisation that makes the difference, and the fact that the Churches are far more tolerant than in the past.
When the Church no longer witnesses to the holiness of the Creator, then it is a certainty that the Day of Judgement is the only remedy------consider what Jesus spoke to the Church, now this seems to apply to all the Churches in the world today---
Rev 2:20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols
Rev 2:21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
Rev 2:22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the Churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
Again we see that Jesus spoke these words which today applies to all Churches--Rev 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
So now the situation is in dire need of attendance.
So in the meantime Cosmic Yak, makes steps to repent.
Paul Bethke
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The Scriptures do certainly contain events that occurred in the past---Yahweh as recorded punished a lot of people—but the final rod will be used against the whole world.
The END times is where Yahweh will establish his Kingdom and use the rod to discipline the nations to conform to his decrees.----- Psa_39:11 You rebuke and discipline men for their sin; you consume their wealth like a moth— each man is but a breath. Selah
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The Scriptures are not historical documents. The events contained therein are generally uncorroborated by other sources or physical evidence.
Citing the Bible to prove the Bible is not acceptable.
Try again.
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JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Clearly.
Yes it was. You went on about it at length. Are you retracting your earlier claim?
Irrelevant. You prophesied and failed. You are a false prophet. You say you aren't because of reasons, but you won't expound upon those reasons except via vague allusion to scriptures you have not cited.
Irrelevant. You said it was unnatural. It is actually quite natural, as it is exhibited by several species. What you mean to say is that homosexuality is against your religion. And like every other Christian who says this, you reach for Leviticus and cherry-pick out of it a verse from among the hundreds of others that are no longer followed (remember how you chickened out of the Mizvot thread?) and pretend that somehow still has force and somehow refers to the modern understanding of human sexuality.
Be that is may, you can be as bigoted as you want and you can attribute it all you want to your god, as long as you are willing to suffer the consequences of your bigotry. But you don't get to pretend it has anything to do with nature or the law.
Several different times and several different ways throughout history. We had this discussion before. You simply ignore the parts of scripture that describe marriage that doesn't correspond to your modern interpretation of one man, one woman, of the same race.
Yeah, yeah. I'm so scared. You can't even make grass wither. If your god wants to visit judgment upon me, he's welcome to. But your fervent belief in that doesn't make you important.
JayUtah
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Such as the flood, perhaps, which you have said occurred at a certain time on the common calendar but won't go beyond that to show any evidence? Such as the captivity of Israel in Egypt, for which there is no evidence?
Cosmic Yak
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So post the indisputable truth the Bible says must exist. Stop playing around.
Assertion without evidence. How do you know the increase is far more widespread than before?
Firstly, I was unaware that Revelation was the words of Jesus. My understanding was that it was composed about 80 years after the supposed death of Jesus, and was a series of prophecies written by an unknown author who had no contact with Jesus at all. I assume from your statement that you have evidence to the contrary, and I would appreciate it if you would post it.
Secondly, which Christian church or churches are you accusing of eating food sacrificed to idols? Plus, of course, what evidence do you have for this?
If you are equating Jezebel with modern churches, I would like to have some clarification on the adultery part of this. Otherwise, I have no idea what this mumbo-jumbo is supposed to mean, or how this constitutes proof that homosexuality is more widespread than before.
No, as far as I am aware, Jesus (if he ever existed) did not say any of this, and I would like to see your evidence that he did.
I am not repenting of anything unless and until you show me the indisputable evidence for your faith that you promised me. That was the deal. I also take umbrage to the idea that I have anything to repent of in the first place. Do you automatically assume that anyone who is not you is a sinner, because as far as I know, we have never met, and you know almost nothing about me. Someone, in some book I read, said 'judge not, lest ye be judged yourself'. Who was that, Paul Bethke? Do you agree with that sentiment? If so, why do you not apply it? If not, why do you continue to preach something you do not believe in?
Craig4
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You and your god need to learn your place and it's not in the bedrooms of consenting adults. You and your god are not welcome in the places you seek to tread.
Paul Bethke
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You have got it ALL wrong—the universe belongs to Elohim, so you are not the owner—when he decides what is acceptable and what is not, it is for you to comply, or find yourself his enemy.
Job_41:11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.
People consenting to commit adultery—are not exonerated because they collude with each other to sin against what the Creator has ordained!!
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
So you are in favour of incest, then.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
If that were true there would be evidence beyond your scriptures.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
No. My portion of the universe belongs to me. If your god wants it, he can come claim it himself. The problem here is that you want to claim it now on behalf of the god you can't prove exist. You claim to be his chosen servant and to have a special role. I see absolutely no evidence that that is true, and considerable evidence that you do not, and cannot, speak for any god -- Yahweh, Elohim (whose name you embarrassingly messed up in the Mizvot thread and had to run and hide), or Cthulhu. I don't answer to self-proclaimed lackeys.
Crossbow
Seeking Honesty and Sanity
I find posts like this this to be so incredibly amazing.
Just the other day it was announced that the universe may have over two trillion galaxies and yet some people still continue to quote from an ancient fairy book as if the ancient fairy book actually does describe the truth of the universe.
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