Split Thread Signs of the End Times

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Paul Bethke said:
No it was not a prophecy in that sense—but a reference to the fact that 7s have a significant reference in Scripture.
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You told us year 5777 on the Hebrew calendar was when your god was going to set in motion the end times. That was a fairly specific statement. Are you retracting it?

So from my observation of the world, especially South Africa, we are in the same state as the people in the days of Noah before the flood.
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So in your estimation, not with Bible authority, you are claiming the end times will begin in the Hebrew year 5777? You've made several specific statements that now seem to conflict. Please reconcile them.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well you may just have to wait a "little longer"--once I get the go ahead, then you will know--in the meantime, prepare to meet the Creator.
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I met my parents before there were 50 states in the Union.

Your mileage may vary, but after a couple of NDE's where none of my dead relatives were waiting for me I think the whole creator/heaven jive is just that.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well what is wrong with the Hebrew calendar---they kept very accurate historical chronology.
Besides like you I have to rely on what we are told.
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There's actually been quite a lot of rejiggering of the Jewish calendar over the centuries.

http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

At this point you're putting more faith in the accuracy of that calendar than I suspect most observant Jews do. Not even the Creationists who tout the "accuracy" of Jewish Torah copiers as if they were guided by then hand of god over every letter reference the Jewish calendar. Even Answers in Genesis makes only passing mention of it admitting that doubt about how long the Jews were even USING a Lunar calendar could easily cause massive drift in time keeping.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well what is wrong with the Hebrew calendar---they kept very accurate historical chronology.
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Then showing your work should be easy.

Besides like you I have to rely on what we are told.
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What makes you think your critics rely on what they are told? Your critics are asking for proof that what they've been told (by you, in this case) is true. That doesn't sound like reliance.

You told us the end times would begin this year, in the Hebrew year 5777. At first you made it sound like a prophecy. Then you backed away from it as such, then returned to it again. You're not being very clear in what you tell people and expect them to rely on. Will you finally answer my questions regarding this putative prediction?
 
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Paul Bethke said:
Well you may just have to wait a "little longer"--once I get the go ahead, then you will know--in the meantime, prepare to meet the Creator.
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I see no reason to expend effort to conform to an authority whose very existence cannot be established by any evidence you are able to provide. People have been telling the skeptics to wait for thousands of years. How long did you think that excuse was going to work?

You go into houses of worship and accost the clergy. When they rightly reject you -- for lack of understanding and evidence -- you accuse them of being corrupt. Your admission that the world has to bide its time until you're ready to make good on your delusion of grandeur seems very much at odds with the demand you have made on others that they believe you here and now, without proof. It seems that if you want to be revered as your god's go-to boy, you need more than just bluff and bluster. It seems, given the footing on which you say you can provide proof, you are being treated rather appropriately.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well you may just have to wait a "little longer"--once I get the go ahead, then you will know--in the meantime, prepare to meet the Creator.
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2000+ years, and counting...we've heard this song-and-dance before.

Suppose you return to the calendar question?

ETA: as is often the case, eloquently ninja-ed by JayUtah. Well said!
 
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Paul Bethke said:
Well what is wrong with the Hebrew calendar---they kept very accurate historical chronology.
Besides like you I have to rely on what we are told.
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Concordance of dates - ie relate the years of various events known in the conventional calendar to the dates in the Jewish calendar. Compare. If the dates agree then we have a starting point to look for proof of the events of the OT. Start simple - say, Titus' Siege of Jerusalem was in 70CE, now see if the date is in concordance with the Jewish calendar's date of the event.

Otherwise, all you have concerning the proof of the events of the Bible is the Bible, which we know to be inaccurate, and unreliable as a source of history, being written as a collection of myths and legends, followed by portions whereby the ruling caste sought to justify its rule by reference to said mythical past.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well you may just have to wait a "little longer"--once I get the go ahead, then you will know--in the meantime, prepare to meet the Creator.
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Since your Creator does not exist, then you will never get "the go ahead" that are still so foolishly expecting to get.
 
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